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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Hardly a mystery - It prevented states from laying off more workers and turned around the economy. To me that beats the hell out of another great depression that we were headed into.
    Government workers are an overhead expense to the economy. To an extent they are necessary: we need police and fire protection, national defense, etc., but taking tax money from the productive segments of society in order to add squads of leaf rakers and administrators will not improve the economy. The "stimulus" failed because the government misdirected it into more government workers.
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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    nope, that's not what I'm sayin'.
    Then how is being trillions of dollars in debt a " faux crisis" if that's not what you are saying?
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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Government workers are an overhead expense to the economy. To an extent they are necessary: we need police and fire protection, national defense, etc., but taking tax money from the productive segments of society in order to add squads of leaf rakers and administrators will not improve the economy. The "stimulus" failed because the government misdirected it into more government workers.
    So what determines if you're productive or not is dependent on who pay your salary...where exactly is this definition from?
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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    by compromise, we really mean raise taxes now, and promise to cut spending 10 years from now.

    I don't find this to be a fair compromise at all.

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are you saying our country is not trillions of dollars in debt with that number increasing every day and that this whole debt thing is a lie manufactured to scare people into wanting to cut entitlement programs?
    No the debt is real..its the rich that are blaming entitlement programs when its just as much them if not more...sending jobs to china out of greed and putting americans out of work that can no longer pay taxs and the corporations that made billions and paid nothing...reverse class warfare by the rich isnt working

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So what determines if you're productive or not is dependent on who pay your salary...where exactly is this definition from?
    The productive members of society create wealth. They make things and grow things.

    Perhaps you have heard the story of the cruise ship that sank, and the five survivors who made it to a desert island were all salesmen. To pass the time, they started trading their hats back and forth. By the time they were rescued, they were all millionaires.

    If you believe that story, you will probably vote for Obama.
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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then how is being trillions of dollars in debt a " faux crisis" if that's not what you are saying?
    its a faux crisis...because 6% of our national budget going to paying the interest on our debt...is not a crisis.

    sure, it should be addressed. but should we be risking another downgrading of our credit rating over it? **** no!!!!

    and yet, the GOP seems to want to continue with the bull****, in order to have our credit rating downgraded again, so they can blaim it on Obama. This is how low they have to go..to win an election.

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    The productive members of society create wealth. They make things and grow things.

    Perhaps you have heard the story of the cruise ship that sank, and the five survivors who made it to a desert island were all salesmen. To pass the time, they started trading their hats back and forth. By the time they were rescued, they were all millionaires.

    If you believe that story, you will probably vote for Obama.
    So say the SEC officials that make sure that markets are transparent add no value? Compare unregulated markets to regulated markets and there's a much higher premium for borrowing and raising capital expected to offset the lack of transparency. That seems to add value to me to markets in general.

    How about Department of tranportation and their maintaining of infrastructure? The engineers for them don't add value or make the economy grow? How about teachers? Jeeze....you think literacy and education might of played a part in building the economy.

    Of course...none of them add anything to you?
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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    The productive members of society create wealth. They make things and grow things.
    Exactly - and we aren't talking about the 1% here.
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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So what determines if you're productive or not is dependent on who pay your salary...where exactly is this definition from?
    It's dependent on what value those who pay your salary get in return for that pay.
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