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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Just click the links on post 1... and before I become the topic once again, I was wrong about the voter fraud claim. It is fraud of some sort by someone though... even though aparantly mislabeling it means it never really happened or something.
    If you're going to call it fraud (which is a crime), then you should post some proof that it is a crime for a felon to sign a petition
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am not making an assertion of fact=you are

    and vote fraud is a peculiarly leftwing vice
    With all due respect, TD, YOU are the one who says that there is voter fraud. Therefore it is up to YOU to show that Kari Tha signed the petition, thus committing the fraud. As a lawyer, I thought for sure you knew that.
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    With all due respect, TD, YOU are the one who says that there is voter fraud. Therefore it is up to YOU to show that Kari Tha signed the petition, thus committing the fraud. As a lawyer, I thought for sure you knew that.
    As a lawyer, he should also have known that signing a petition can not be voter fraud, because there isn't any voting
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    As a lawyer, he should also have known that signing a petition can not be voter fraud, because there isn't any voting
    True, voter fraud is not committed by signing a petition. However, by signing the petition, the signer states that he or she IS a registered voter in the state of Wisconsin. But that signature would be thrown out during the validation process.
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    True, voter fraud is not committed by signing a petition. However, by signing the petition, the signer states that he or she IS a registered voter in the state of Wisconsin. But that signature would be thrown out during the validation process.
    Agrred. Being a felon would seem to disqualify their signature. However, I've yet to see anything that suggests it is a crime. And it's certainly not voter fraud. You don't have to be a lawyer to see that
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17, replying to another View Post
    I see... So this whole thing is fabricated... What ever dude.
    Based upon a story from the Gateway Pundit? Wouldn't be too much of a stretch, now would it?

    In the real world (i.e., outside the right wing talk media echo chamber), it is quite likely that some number of ineligible people signed the petition. In this same world, that number is probably an order of magnitude smaller than that claimed by amateur sleuths.

    This is likely reminiscent of a similar right wing hack job when some Minnesota right wing group claimed to have found hundreds of felon votes in the Coleman/Franken U.S. Senate election -- more votes than the margin of victory. When these were submitted to officials, the vast majority of them were determined to be 'false positives' (similar name, felon already completed probation, public database had incorrect info, etc).

    In July 2010, Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, conducted a study in which they claimed that at least 341 convicted felons in the largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul area voted illegally in the Senate race.[112] Subsequent investigations of Minnesota Majority's claims by election officials found that many of their allegations were incorrect. Some of the cases that were submitted involved mistaking a legal voter for a felon with the same name, others involved felons who had had their voting rights reinstated after serving their sentences, and others were felons who illegally registered to vote, but did not vote in 2008 election.[113][114] Columnist Nick Coleman of the Minneapolis-based Star Tribune called the idea that illegal voting by felons made a difference in the race "unbelievable" and the Minnesota Majority report "good fodder for a right-wing scare campaign."[115]

    In October 2010, the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office concluded an extensive investigation into 110 allegations of fraud, which resulted in six charges being filed — two individuals were charged with the separate felonies of registering to vote while ineligible and voting while ineligible and four others were charged with voting while ineligible.[116]

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    However, Sean Hannity has recently claimed that more felons voted in that Minnesota election than the margin of victory, proving that the propaganda never dies, despite how many times you stab it in the heart with facts.
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    As a lawyer, he should also have known that signing a petition can not be voter fraud, because there isn't any voting
    The actual term is electoral fraud, any time false information is entered as part of the election process but no voting occurs. Its a specific for things like petitions, eligibility signatures that sort of thing.

    Im not passing judgement on the article one way or the other but if I were the Sec of State for Wisconson or the AG, Id like to take a closer look at their findings and the process they arrived at them and conduct my own investigation.

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    What I don't understand is why, if you go to prison, you suddenly can't vote. It makes no sense to me. Just because you are in prison shouldn't mean that you don't have the right to vote.
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, it's just another dishonest claim from some wingnut on the internet
    Even if they did what the article claims they did, it proves nothing. All they did was match names. The fact that someone has the same name as a felon doesn't mean that they are a felon
    Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "la, la, la, la" doesn't make it not true. feel free to email me and I will send you all the prof you need. And for anyone who can read, this did not search just names! It is a name and address search! I dare you to go find one that is wrongly matched! The program downloaded over 9 million cases and search them for name AND address!

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Where is the VOTE FRAUD in this?

    What votes were cast in what election and were cast fraudulently?
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