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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    So I made a mistake in classifying the fraud?
    No, it means this is not fraud. Nor was it a vote. So your characterization of this as "voter fraud" is either wrong, stupid, dishonest, or some combination of the three.

    Does that mean the story is invalid and this crap didn't happen?
    No, once again, it means that this isn't fraud.

    Is my mistake really a bigger issue than what took place in Wisconsin?
    No, any more straw men you'd like to build?
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    So I made a mistake in classifying the fraud?

    Does that mean the story is invalid and this crap didn't happen?

    Is my mistake really a bigger issue than what took place in Wisconsin?
    What really happened in Wisconsin, was that 1 Million signatures were gathered for the recall and supposedly only 2% of them were judged by partisans as fraudulent. Please prove the ones found were not already thrown out and not count in the million count.


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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Isn't that - I don't know - wrong and illegal to post someone's private information like that on the net? Her name, address, personal criminal history, petitioning - should any of this even *be* our business?
    Nope, just like for sex offenders, criminal records are considered public information. I can go down to your local courthouse and get everything I want on you. You can't stop me either. If they were private you wouldn't have websites dedicated to charging you to run criminal background checks on people.
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Um...so after they spent all this money you want them to go through it all again so they lose more money? It doesn't sound like people are very confident that Walker is going to win. What is wrong with a referendum on Walker's policies up to date. I thought conservative's liked hearing the "will of the people" on all issues.
    We the felons is not we the people.

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Are you sure this is a felony charge? Might be a misdemeanor which doesn't affect civil rights. I don't know, I'm just wondering. I have no opinion on voter fraud but I do know about civil rights issues and criminal cases.

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Are you sure this is a felony charge? Might be a misdemeanor which doesn't affect civil rights. I don't know, I'm just wondering. I have no opinion on voter fraud but I do know about civil rights issues and criminal cases.

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    Just click the links on post 1... and before I become the topic once again, I was wrong about the voter fraud claim. It is fraud of some sort by someone though... even though aparantly mislabeling it means it never really happened or something.

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Just click the links on post 1... and before I become the topic once again, I was wrong about the voter fraud claim. It is fraud of some sort by someone though... even though aparantly mislabeling it means it never really happened or something.
    There is no fraud here Grim.

    Wisconsin law says these folks cannot vote, Right?

    That means they need a sophisticated software system that match and eliminate these people from the voter rolls before an election, right?

    Most of the people on the list probably were registered to vote before they got in to trouble with the law. So when the petitioners asked them if they were registered to vote, they naturally said "yes" and signed the petition. They might in fact may not realize they could not vote.em

    So this computer system caught them which is what it supposed to do.


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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Yup. You are correct. She can't vote. But can she sign a petition? Kind of doubtful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Just click the links on post 1... and before I become the topic once again, I was wrong about the voter fraud claim. It is fraud of some sort by someone though... even though aparantly mislabeling it means it never really happened or something.

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am not making an assertion of fact=you are

    and vote fraud is a peculiarly leftwing vice
    Damn! Talk about fraudulent. The Democratic Party of Wisconsin actually made the voting disappear.

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, it's just another dishonest claim from some wingnut on the internet

    Even if they did what the article claims they did, it proves nothing. All they did was match names. The fact that someone has the same name as a felon doesn't mean that they are a felon
    It did in Florida in 2000. 18,000 eligible voters scrubbed from the roles.
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