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Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

We the felons is not we the people.

So should felons have to pay taxes?

Seeins how they aren't represented and all because in some places they can't vote.

Didn't we have some kind of revolution about that a couple hundred years ago?
 
This is quite interesting, because it looks like the democrats might be involved in a little voter fraud:



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-stalkers-signed-wiscsonsin-recall-petitions/


I did some checking, and according to Wisconsin law, people with felony convictions are barred from voting if incarcerated, on parole, or on probation for those crimes. So just for kicks, I looked at the list of people who committed felonies and decided to check the status of the very first person on the list, Kari A Tha, and sure enough, she is still on probation until at least mid 2013 for her 2005 felony conviction, which she served a year in prison for.

This means she's not eligable to vote in the state of Wisconsin, and according to the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, "Petition signers must reside in the district of the elected official being recalled and be eligible to vote in Wisconsin."

Voter fraud anyone?

Is it your contention that Democrats were involved in this what you say is a fraud? Did the Democrats get hold of a list of these people then find them and get them to sign the petition? Please clarify what you are saying! Or are you willing to admit that Jim Hoft misled you with his post?
 
No, it's just another dishonest claim from some wingnut on the internet
Even if they did what the article claims they did, it proves nothing. All they did was match names. The fact that someone has the same name as a felon doesn't mean that they are a felon

Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "la, la, la, la" doesn't make it not true. feel free to email me and I will send you all the prof you need. And for anyone who can read, this did not search just names! It is a name and address search! I dare you to go find one that is wrongly matched! The program downloaded over 9 million cases and search them for name AND address!

info@putwisconsinfirst.com
 
How old are you?

Do you know what a link is?

Can you read?

Click the link to the democratic party of Wisconsin

Ahhh, still can't prove that there was any voter fraud, or anything illegal.

Your posts have the stench of desperation
 
Just click the links on post 1... and before I become the topic once again, I was wrong about the voter fraud claim. It is fraud of some sort by someone though... even though aparantly mislabeling it means it never really happened or something.

If you're going to call it fraud (which is a crime), then you should post some proof that it is a crime for a felon to sign a petition
 
I am not making an assertion of fact=you are

and vote fraud is a peculiarly leftwing vice

With all due respect, TD, YOU are the one who says that there is voter fraud. Therefore it is up to YOU to show that Kari Tha signed the petition, thus committing the fraud. As a lawyer, I thought for sure you knew that. :mrgreen:
 
With all due respect, TD, YOU are the one who says that there is voter fraud. Therefore it is up to YOU to show that Kari Tha signed the petition, thus committing the fraud. As a lawyer, I thought for sure you knew that. :mrgreen:

As a lawyer, he should also have known that signing a petition can not be voter fraud, because there isn't any voting
 
As a lawyer, he should also have known that signing a petition can not be voter fraud, because there isn't any voting

True, voter fraud is not committed by signing a petition. However, by signing the petition, the signer states that he or she IS a registered voter in the state of Wisconsin. But that signature would be thrown out during the validation process.
 
True, voter fraud is not committed by signing a petition. However, by signing the petition, the signer states that he or she IS a registered voter in the state of Wisconsin. But that signature would be thrown out during the validation process.

Agrred. Being a felon would seem to disqualify their signature. However, I've yet to see anything that suggests it is a crime. And it's certainly not voter fraud. You don't have to be a lawyer to see that
 
I see... So this whole thing is fabricated... What ever dude.
Based upon a story from the Gateway Pundit? Wouldn't be too much of a stretch, now would it? :2razz:

In the real world (i.e., outside the right wing talk media echo chamber), it is quite likely that some number of ineligible people signed the petition. In this same world, that number is probably an order of magnitude smaller than that claimed by amateur sleuths.

This is likely reminiscent of a similar right wing hack job when some Minnesota right wing group claimed to have found hundreds of felon votes in the Coleman/Franken U.S. Senate election -- more votes than the margin of victory. When these were submitted to officials, the vast majority of them were determined to be 'false positives' (similar name, felon already completed probation, public database had incorrect info, etc).

In July 2010, Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, conducted a study in which they claimed that at least 341 convicted felons in the largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul area voted illegally in the Senate race.[112] Subsequent investigations of Minnesota Majority's claims by election officials found that many of their allegations were incorrect. Some of the cases that were submitted involved mistaking a legal voter for a felon with the same name, others involved felons who had had their voting rights reinstated after serving their sentences, and others were felons who illegally registered to vote, but did not vote in 2008 election.[113][114] Columnist Nick Coleman of the Minneapolis-based Star Tribune called the idea that illegal voting by felons made a difference in the race "unbelievable" and the Minnesota Majority report "good fodder for a right-wing scare campaign."[115]

In October 2010, the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office concluded an extensive investigation into 110 allegations of fraud, which resulted in six charges being filed — two individuals were charged with the separate felonies of registering to vote while ineligible and voting while ineligible and four others were charged with voting while ineligible.[116]

United States Senate election in Minnesota, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, Sean Hannity has recently claimed that more felons voted in that Minnesota election than the margin of victory, proving that the propaganda never dies, despite how many times you stab it in the heart with facts.
 
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As a lawyer, he should also have known that signing a petition can not be voter fraud, because there isn't any voting

The actual term is electoral fraud, any time false information is entered as part of the election process but no voting occurs. Its a specific for things like petitions, eligibility signatures that sort of thing.

Im not passing judgement on the article one way or the other but if I were the Sec of State for Wisconson or the AG, Id like to take a closer look at their findings and the process they arrived at them and conduct my own investigation.
 
What I don't understand is why, if you go to prison, you suddenly can't vote. It makes no sense to me. Just because you are in prison shouldn't mean that you don't have the right to vote.
 
No, it's just another dishonest claim from some wingnut on the internet
Even if they did what the article claims they did, it proves nothing. All they did was match names. The fact that someone has the same name as a felon doesn't mean that they are a felon
Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "la, la, la, la" doesn't make it not true. feel free to email me and I will send you all the prof you need. And for anyone who can read, this did not search just names! It is a name and address search! I dare you to go find one that is wrongly matched! The program downloaded over 9 million cases and search them for name AND address!
 
Where is the VOTE FRAUD in this?

What votes were cast in what election and were cast fraudulently?
 
All assertions that my web site is wrong, doesn't match properly or isn't matching names and addresses is false! The matching works. Over 400,000 cases and charges have been matched to just over 900,000 signature lines on the petitions. (yes - nobody turned in 'over a million')

To side track about if voting, or signing, as a convicted felon misses the point. The point is this is a PUBLIC PROCESS! Signing a recall petition is a PUBLIC DECLARATION that you, as a citizen, want to recall legally cast votes in a previous election. This PUBLIC DECLARATION is stated on the top of every petition and the signer is standing in front of his, or her. community to make this DECLARATION. Signing a petition is NOT A VOTE! It is a declaration of the desire to take away votes of other people and overturn a legally binding election.

This web site is doing nothing more than patching PUBLIC DECLARATIONS to PUBLIC RECORDS, on a name and address basis. The interpretation of the results is up to you to debate but to attack the web site is stupidity at its finest. The facts are the facts. You can all twist and turn about what the results mean but acting as if these matches are false, demanding "proof", or simply playing the old "fingers in your ears" game and pretending facts are lies only makes you look silly because, as anyone with 5 minutes of time can see, the web site works. It lists what it says it does and is not filled with mismatches (as much as some of you would like to claim).

http://www.putwisconsinfirst.com/
 
But that signature would be thrown out during the validation process.
I think you mean "should be". Only looking at the petitions, in an open process, by everyone would make this possible.

Why was this one not "thrown out":

Signed FROM a mental institution, where he resides because of a conviction of 1st degree intentional homicide -

Recaller Report - MARSHALL R RICHARDS : 3 elements of interest.

Signed from: 301 Troy Drive, Mendota Mental Health Institute, Madison, WI 53704-1521
Self witnessed!
 
Ahhh, still can't prove that there was any voter fraud, or anything illegal.

Your posts have the stench of desperation

It was not voter fraud, but I did prove there was something illegal.

Now are you going to retract your statement, or are you a partisan coward that puts politics above the truth and doing what's right?
 
As per Wis. Stat. 9.10(2)(g):

The burden of proof for any challenge rests with the individual bringing the challenge.

As per Wis. Stat. 9.10(2)(L):

If a challenger establishes that an individual is ineligible to sign the petition, the signature may not be counted.

The Republicans did not propose that these be reviewed for rejection, meaning that this entire thread is completely pointless and irrelevant. Take it up with Walker and his buddies, Grim.

EDIT: For those actually interested, even if this is true, this as far as I could find does not constitute electoral fraud as a convicted felon is not casting a ballot. I couldn't find anything in Wis. Stat. 12.13 that says this is illegal.
 
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