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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Specifically, falsify any information. As a disclaimer on petitions where the state requires them to be voters it reads: by signing the following you are asserting that you are an eligible voter for the State of Wisconsin. Signing that statement, which is a legal document (a recall petition) you are falsifying it, at least as far your individual signature goes.

    States generally look the other way in cases like this because its hard to track down and prove, let alone prosecute---but it IS illegal. Im not arguing as to any other thing. Apparently some of you dont understand what falsifying means, I dont mean false signatures, I mean that voters are ineligible and holding that they are such is an illegal act on an official document as outlined by statute.

    Instead of putting up "no its not" "thats rediculous" why dont you illustrate to me how I am wrong---because none of you have made a shred of an attempt to do so.
    You are wrong, that statute is meant for the signature gatherer, not the individual signers. On each page of the petitions, the gatherer must certify that he/she has followed the statute S.12.13(3)(a).

    The signature of gatherer is saying that he/she agrees with the premise of the petition, not that he/she can legally vote.
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Specifically, falsify any information. As a disclaimer on petitions where the state requires them to be voters it reads: by signing the following you are asserting that you are an eligible voter for the State of Wisconsin. Signing that statement, which is a legal document (a recall petition) you are falsifying it, at least as far your individual signature goes.


    That was very dishonest. That disclaimer only applies to the certifier of the petition, and you already know this. It's been pointed out to you several times

    Why do you persist with such dishonest claims?
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So Grim has backed from "the democrats were engaged in fraud" to "the petition singers were engaged in fraud"

    Will Grim ever acknowledge his mistake and make a retraction?

    I don't think so
    I don't think so either.


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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That was very dishonest. That disclaimer only applies to the certifier of the petition, and you already know this. It's been pointed out to you several times

    Why do you persist with such dishonest claims?
    It isn't a dishonest claim... You are the one who is being dishonest.

    That means the person collecting signatures had to at least ask the person signing if they were eligable to vote in the state of Wisconsin... If they didn't ask before allowing people to sign, or did ask and knowingly allowed people to sign who weren't eligable, they were in violation Wisconsin state statute s.12.13.(3)(c) for election fraud, as plainly stated on the petition... If they did ask, and the person signing said they were eligible, then that person has violated election fraud statutes.

    Look it up yourself.

    Wisconsin Legislature: 12.13(3)(a)
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I don't think so either.
    You clowns have been very entertaining to watch.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060526736

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060527083

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060530987
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    It isn't a dishonest claim... You are the one who is being dishonest.

    That means the person collecting signatures had to at least ask the person signing if they were eligable to vote in the state of Wisconsin... If they didn't ask before allowing people to sign, or did ask and knowingly allowed people to sign who weren't eligable, they were in violation Wisconsin state statute s.12.13.(3)(c) for election fraud, as plainly stated on the petition... If they did ask, and the person signing said they were eligible, then that person has violated election fraud statutes.

    Look it up yourself.

    Wisconsin Legislature: 12.13(3)(a)
    When people post dishonestly, they often find themselves having to post more fictions in order to defend the original fiction.

    The law doesn't require them to ask the signers anything, and you have no evidence that they didn't ask

    And repeating the dishonest claim that it's a crime for them to sign the petition has already been exposed as a fiction
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Please post the statute that says it's a crime to sign a petition you're not qualified to sign
    pay attention

    Ive posted it at least twice now. You guys seem to think Im basing this on my opinion, Im quoting the exact statute and you genuises keep going no without even reading my posts.

    Look at the statute yourself, its been posted to this thread.
    The ignorance is just appalling.

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    pay attention

    Ive posted it at least twice now. You guys seem to think Im basing this on my opinion, Im quoting the exact statute and you genuises keep going no without even reading my posts.

    Look at the statute yourself, its been posted to this thread.
    The ignorance is just appalling.
    No, you posted where it says it's illegal for the CERTIFIER (not the signer) to sign the certification knowing that it's false.

    Post #151 includes an image of the petition form, and it clearly states that the statute you cited applied ONLY to the certifier, not the signers

    Stop posting dishonest claims
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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    When people post dishonestly, they often find themselves having to post more fictions in order to defend the original fiction.

    The law doesn't require them to ask the signers anything, and you have no evidence that they didn't ask

    And repeating the dishonest claim that it's a crime for them to sign the petition has already been exposed as a fiction
    It's a never ending chain of dishonesty with you. Here's the part of the petition Pete snipped off.

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    Remember... When you have to lie to prop up your beliefs, then you have beliefs that aren't worth propping up.

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, you posted where it says it's illegal for the CERTIFIER (not the signer) to sign the certification knowing that it's false.

    Post #151 includes an image of the petition form, and it clearly states that the statute you cited applied ONLY to the certifier, not the signers

    Stop posting dishonest claims
    Read the damned law...

    Wisconsin Legislature: 12.13(3)(a)

    This is state law, not just laws governing election workers or petition gatherers.

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