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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Short version---people signing a petition are certifying they are eligible to vote
    Writing an invalid signature on a recall petition is not illegal, what an absolutely ridiculous claim.
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost, replying to notquiteright View Post
    Bolded is a personal attack on any right leaning poster in this thread. Post reported.
    FACEPALM! Dear God, you are calling that a personal attack? Good luck with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost, replying to notquiteright View Post
    Your post is disingenuous. Im not arguing techinically, Im arguing in fact about exactly what is fraud. According to what Hoft reported, Im sure there are some falsified names upon that petition from ineligible voters. Which kind of highlights a problem regarding voter fraud convictions: they are notoriously hard to prove, not followed up on properly for proscecution and thus they remain rare instances when we have instances like this that hint an independent investigation by law enforcement is warranted.
    There is no investigation needed; there is software to eliminate felons from the voter list before elections and to eliminate felons when they sign petitions. Follow the OP and see it in action. How would the state eliminate felons from the voter rolls if the didn't have such software? I assume they would be able to vote when their parole period is finished.


    Pete, it is illegal by th e definition set into the statute, if a person signs a petition for recall in Wisconsin that they are ineligible for, they are committing a crime. A misdemeanor, but still a crime.
    If they sign the document it won't be counted if found, however I seriously doubt they are committing a crime. If it were a crime, the signers would be warned, but they aren't. Petitions are not elections and all the petitioners need to do is beat a certain standard set by the state. The petitioners beat that by miles.


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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Wow what a big waste of time........

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Bolded is a personal attack on any right leaning poster in this thread. Post reported [...]
    Perfect example of the typical progression of the typical thread from the typical right wing talk media fan.

    Step 1: Fan gleans headline from right wing talk media source, runs to favorite internet forum and trumpets it loudly to the world. Example: "World is flat!"

    Step 2: OP is quickly pwned by those that do a modicum of research and note that the world is round.

    Step 3: OP and/or supporters challenges anyone to provide proof that world is round. Laughter ensues. Professional debaters facepalm. After several back and forth, OP and/or supporters claim that world is spheriod, not perfectly round, so the detractors are wrong as well, so it's a tie. Detractors laugh derisively.

    Step 4: OP and/or supporters claim they are being mocked and insulted, try to get thread banished or locked (this is often successful), effectively burying their failure.

    Step 5: A few days later, a new thread appears: "World is flat!"

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Perfect example of the typical progression of the typical thread from the typical right wing talk media fan.

    Step 1: Fan gleans headline from right wing talk media source, runs to favorite internet forum and trumpets it loudly to the world. Example: "World is flat!"

    Step 2: OP is quickly pwned by those that do a modicum of research and note that the world is round.

    Step 3: OP and/or supporters challenges anyone to provide proof that world is round. Laughter ensues. Professional debaters facepalm. After several back and forth, OP and/or supporters claim that world is spheriod, not perfectly round, so the detractors are wrong as well, so it's a tie. Detractors laugh derisively.

    Step 4: OP and/or supporters claim they are being mocked and insulted, try to get thread banished or locked (this is often successful), effectively burying their failure.

    Step 5: A few days later, a new thread appears: "World is flat!"
    Analogy argument that attempts to portray posters as ignorant is, in itself, a poor debating technique.

    Ive quoted the statute under Wisconsin law and linked it where it says point blank what the law is. Yet we still have deniers here that wont accept the stated law as proof that proferring an ineligible signature is illegal in Wisconsin.

    Yet you claim the conservatives are being ignorant. Again, whateva.

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Bolded is a personal attack on any right leaning poster in this thread. Post reported....
    I'm sure that accomplished very little.

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This is quite interesting, because it looks like the democrats might be involved in a little voter fraud:



    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...all-petitions/


    I did some checking, and according to Wisconsin law, people with felony convictions are barred from voting if incarcerated, on parole, or on probation for those crimes. So just for kicks, I looked at the list of people who committed felonies and decided to check the status of the very first person on the list, Kari A Tha, and sure enough, she is still on probation until at least mid 2013 for her 2005 felony conviction, which she served a year in prison for.

    This means she's not eligable to vote in the state of Wisconsin, and according to the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, "Petition signers must reside in the district of the elected official being recalled and be eligible to vote in Wisconsin."

    Voter fraud anyone?
    I wonder if there has ever been a close election where the democrats did not stuff the ballot box with illegal voters........Here in Washington state dead democrats and felons vote all the time......
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Analogy argument that attempts to portray posters as ignorant is, in itself, a poor debating technique.

    Ive quoted the statute under Wisconsin law and linked it where it says point blank what the law is. Yet we still have deniers here that wont accept the stated law as proof that proferring an ineligible signature is illegal in Wisconsin.

    Yet you claim the conservatives are being ignorant. Again, whateva.
    How many felons violated this statute? Was it 20,000 or much less than that?


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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I wonder if there has ever been a close election where the democrats did not stuff the ballot box with illegal voters........Here in Washington state dead democrats and felons vote all the time......
    If anybody actually believes that Republicans have never engaged in voter fraud, that is THE STUPIDEST ****ING THING I'VE EVER HEARD.


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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How many felons violated this statute? Was it 20,000 or much less than that?
    Does it matter? The Wisconsin AG and Sec of State ought to be looking into it, its part of their job.

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