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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    What I don't understand is why, if you go to prison, you suddenly can't vote. It makes no sense to me. Just because you are in prison shouldn't mean that you don't have the right to vote.
    It varies by state. Maine and Vermont allow felons to vote from prison (they are the only two). See State Felon Voting Laws - Felon Voting - ProCon.org

    As a group, southern states appear to be the most restrictive. Goes back to the conservative, authoritarian nature of religion, IMHO, which is of course not intended to "make sense". Also:

    Misdemeanor Convictions (as of Apr. 8, 2010):

    Anyone convicted of a misdemeanor in Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, South Carolina, and South Dakota may not vote while incarcerated. Kentucky and Missouri additionally require an executive pardon before allowing people convicted of certain misdemeanors ("high misdemeanors” in KY and "elections-related misdemeanors” in MO) from ever voting again. In Iowa, only persons convicted of an "aggravated" misdemeanor cannot vote while incarcerated.

    Same link as above

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Nowhere does it say that someone who is ineligible to vote is breaking the law if they sign a petition. All that happens is that the signature is stricken from the petition (following the procedure for doing so, of course, which I outlined in an earlier post to which you predictably did not respond).
    BINGO!!! Of course that's true. There are people who are not registered to vote that sign petitions; they are not given a consequence when found out. Their names are simply dropped from the total. There is nothing on a petition document where the signer must certify they are a registered and legal voter.

    This thread is a bunch of trash.

    Grim said this was the work of Democrats when obviously it not.
    He also states there 20,000 people involved when there are obviously many duplicates.


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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

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    This thread is a bunch of trash.
    Best line of the week!!!!!!!
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    I know a couple of you liberals jumped on the nuance between electoral fraud and voter fraud. Under the law per Wisconsin they are in the same category: prohibited election practices. Actual voter fraud is a stiffer penalty but both are techinically election fraud in Wisconsin.

    Here is the link and maybe some of you want to peruse it and understand whats being argued about better: http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/stat...tatutes/12.pdf

    (3) PROHIBITED ACTS. No person may:
    (a) Falsify any information in respect to or fraudulently deface
    or destroy a certificate of nomination, nomination paper, declaration
    of candidacy or petition for an election, including a recall
    petition or petition for a referendum; or file or receive for filing a
    certificate of nomination, nomination paper, declaration of candidacy
    or any such petition, knowing any part is falsely made.
    Seems pertinent to this discussion.

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Except signing a petition when you are ineligible to vote isn't any of that so it's not pertinent at all.

    Falsify any information
    When one writes their real information down they are entering true information and therefore not falsifying anything

    or fraudulently deface or destroy etc...
    Obviously not defacement or destruction of a petition.

    or file or receive for filing a etc...
    The signer is not filing it nor receiving it for filing, the registrant is, so again not relevant.

    A poor attempt at obfuscation.
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I know a couple of you liberals jumped on the nuance between electoral fraud and voter fraud. Under the law per Wisconsin they are in the same category: prohibited election practices. Actual voter fraud is a stiffer penalty but both are techinically election fraud in Wisconsin.

    (3) PROHIBITED ACTS. No person may:
    (a) Falsify any information in respect to or fraudulently deface
    or destroy a certificate of nomination, nomination paper, declaration
    of candidacy or petition for an election, including a recall
    petition or petition for a referendum; or file or receive for filing a
    certificate of nomination, nomination paper, declaration of candidacy
    or any such petition, knowing any part is falsely made.
    Here is the link and maybe some of you want to peruse it and understand whats being argued about better: http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/stat...tatutes/12.pdf




    Seems pertinent to this discussion.
    The act of signing a petition does not deface it. There is nowhere on the petition a declaration that a signer is a valid voter. However if you were a petitioner and someone came and defaced the petitions you have they could be prosecuted.


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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I know a couple of you liberals jumped on the nuance between electoral fraud and voter fraud. Under the law per Wisconsin they are in the same category: prohibited election practices. Actual voter fraud is a stiffer penalty but both are techinically election fraud in Wisconsin.

    Here is the link and maybe some of you want to peruse it and understand whats being argued about better: http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/stat...tatutes/12.pdf



    Seems pertinent to this discussion.
    How do you have VOTER FRAUD without any VOTES or without an ELECTION?
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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Due to our resident conservative lawyer bailing that damn quick in the thread I'd say the stink being raised by our favorite Grim is silly at best. More like sour grapes and bitter partisanship.

    Let me see if my Okie ass understands this-
    20,000 of 900,000 MAY be felons not eligible to vote but far more than enough to call for a new vote have been CERTIFIED.

    So some highly partisan whiners will throw anything against the wall and hope it sticks.

    It didn't

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    [...] Let me see if my Okie ass understands this-
    20,000 of 900,000 MAY be felons not eligible to vote but far more than enough to call for a new vote have been CERTIFIED.

    So some highly partisan whiners will throw anything against the wall and hope it sticks. It didn't
    Oh, it's much worse than that:

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17, in the OP, quoting the Gateway Pundit {snicker} View Post
    [...] Put Wisconsin First recently matched Wisconsin recaller’s names and addresses to Wisconsin Court Cases. There were over 400,000 matches of cases and charges from just over 900,000 signatures.
    So, as we can clearly see, over four hundred thousand criminals or accused criminals signed those petitions....

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    Re: Voter Fraud? 20,000 Felons Signed Wisconsin Recall Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The act of signing a petition does not deface it. There is nowhere on the petition a declaration that a signer is a valid voter. However if you were a petitioner and someone came and defaced the petitions you have they could be prosecuted.
    Quite frankly Pete you need to take a remedial reading course.

    (3) PROHIBITED ACTS. No person may:
    (a) Falsify any information in respect to or fraudulently deface
    or destroy a certificate of nomination, nomination paper, declaration
    of candidacy or petition for an election, including a recall
    petition or petition for a referendum; or file or receive for filing a
    certificate of nomination, nomination paper, declaration of candidacy
    or any such petition, knowing any part is falsely made.
    Read the bold. Whether I like or dislike Grim's story, flasifying any information on a petition is, in fact, against the law in Wisconsin. Whether its prosecuted or not is an entirely different kettle of fish.

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