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NAACP backs gay marriage

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[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Wow... Is this just another campaign tactic of Obama? Maybe yes maybe no, but i certainly fall behind and back this decision the NACCP has made. More popular groups need to step up to the plate and back this message. [/FONT]

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Conservative Star Parker's take on "Sunday" vs "Tuesday" black voters: Blacks and Same Sex Marriage - Star Parker - Townhall Conservative Columnists - Page 2
 
Perhaps the NAACP should focus more on the lack of marriage within the black community.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
Overtime, yes. Overnight, no.
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Those attitudes didn't change overnight. They changed in the last couple of years. There is a clear trend in all races here in the US that they are becoming much more accepting of same sex marriage legalization.

Gay Marriage Polls: The Trend Is Clear

While there is little doubt that Obama likely helped to push that trend a little bit faster for blacks, that doesn't mean that it wasn't heading that way in the first place. It's a generational thing. Our generation and younger are each more accepting than the generations before us, whatever race we are.

And it comes back to influence as well. When a person someone else admires stands up for something that other person is against, the admirer starts to question why they admire the first person to begin with and why they were against the thing that the first person is for. If the admiration is more important than the issue, it is likely that the admirer could change their stance.
 
Erod said:
Perhaps the NAACP should focus more on the lack of marriage within the black community.
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This has nothing to do with it. Black people are allowed to get married, Gays are not....but going with your way of thinking...maybe Heterosexuals should focus more on why so many get divorced, eh?
 
Flippinfunky said:
This has nothing to do with it. Black people are allowed to get married, Gays are not....but going with your way of thinking...maybe Heterosexuals should focus more on why so many get divorced, eh?
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Good lord, if gays marry, the infidelity and divorce rate will reach 99 percent.
 
Erod said:
Good lord, if gays marry, the infidelity and divorce rate will reach 99 percent.
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While this is an exaggeration, I have long believed that the change to no fault divorce decades ago is the only reason we're talking about SSM now. Once traditional marriage became a joke in the law through no fault divorce, what difference does it make if same sex couples marry?
 
It is difficult to determine (for me) the Black sentiment on SSM. Blacks are a vividly divided group, with some of the lowest and some of the highest orders of intelligence. I suspect that the dumb Blacks, complete with saggy pants and ebonics, are against SSM because those who have been persecuted tend to be persecutors themselves.

OTOH, the Blacks I know personally and those whose histories I follow, are very cognizant of the justness of SSM and they strongly support it. I'll guess that the NAACP is comprised of the more educated, the Obamas, the Cains, the Chenaults, the Winfreys and are logically supporters of true equality.

So, possibly a majority of "generic Blacks" are against SSM. That may explain the polls and the reason that NAACP expresses otherwise.

((OPINION ALERT))
 
Erod said:
Good lord, if gays marry, the infidelity and divorce rate will reach 99 percent.
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Yeah, because SSM being legal will make straight people want to get divorced and cheat on their spouse. :roll:
 
The NAACP certainly doesn't represent my beliefs or the beliefs of most black people. I view them as a partisan group who assumes they speak for us, even though they don't.
 
Objective-J said:
translation: there is still egg on your face, you still lied and you still have no proof of your fqalse claim. GOT IT! :laughat:

I am GLAD you quoted me because its evidence that supports me and exposes you LMAO

if you are not a liar and you were not just hugely exposed PLEASE PLEASE do the following:

point out where I said that simply being a SSM "opponent" makes you a bigot
post your proof that the majority of black americans actively participate in trying to stop equal rights

until you do this you are exposed and its obvious to ever one honest and objective. I cant wait for this spin!!! this is funny as hell, its like shooting fish in a barrel!!! :popcorn2: LMAO
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nothin huh? thats exactly what I thought :D
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Good political move on the NCAAP's part to back up their guy given recent events.
 
jambalaya said:
Good political move on the NCAAP's part to back up their guy given recent events.
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Agreed. Because that's exactly what it was, a political move.
 
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roguenuke said:
Those attitudes didn't change overnight. They changed in the last couple of years. There is a clear trend in all races here in the US that they are becoming much more accepting of same sex marriage legalization.

Gay Marriage Polls: The Trend Is Clear

While there is little doubt that Obama likely helped to push that trend a little bit faster for blacks, that doesn't mean that it wasn't heading that way in the first place. It's a generational thing. Our generation and younger are each more accepting than the generations before us, whatever race we are.

And it comes back to influence as well. When a person someone else admires stands up for something that other person is against, the admirer starts to question why they admire the first person to begin with and why they were against the thing that the first person is for. If the admiration is more important than the issue, it is likely that the admirer could change their stance.
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The percentage of blacks that approved of gay marriage went from 39% to 53% in a night? LOL. Like I said in another post, I would like to see who they polled to get 53%. President Obama, despite popular belief amongst his undying supporters, doesn't have that much clout.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
The percentage of blacks that approved of gay marriage went from 39% to 53% in a night? LOL. Like I said in another post, I would like to see who they polled to get 53%. President Obama, despite popular belief amongst his undying supporters, doesn't have that much clout.
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It doesn't matter who they polled. You are trying to infer something from a specific poll instead of what the trend is. The polls change depending on who does them. But the trend will give you an idea of how people feel about the issue over time.

The NAACP's support wasn't based on Obama's position. They claimed that position, unofficially, right after Biden made his support of ssm known, and right before Obama did (almost) the same. (I can't seem to find the OpEd I read about this now because of all the other news pertaining to them and Obama and ssm.

Of course some of the change could also be several very prominent black celebrities also coming out for same sex marriage, including JayZ and Will Smith. As I have said multiple times, if celebrities and others that people of certain groups tend to hold in high regard come out on a certain side of political issues that aren't necessarily the most accepted, it can make people stop and think why they hold the opposite view. Right or wrong, there's a reason celebrities are considered "influential people".
 
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roguenuke said:
It doesn't matter who they polled. You are trying to infer something from a specific poll instead of what the trend is. The polls change depending on who does them. But the trend will give you an idea of how people feel about the issue over time.

The NAACP's support wasn't based on Obama's position. They claimed that position, unofficially, right after Biden made his support of ssm known, and right before Obama did (almost) the same. (I can't seem to find the OpEd I read about this now because of all the other news pertaining to them and Obama and ssm.

Of course some of the change could also be several very prominent black celebrities also coming out for same sex marriage, including JayZ and Will Smith. As I have said multiple times, if celebrities and others that people of certain groups tend to hold in high regard come out on a certain side of political issues that aren't necessarily the most accepted, it can make people stop and think why they hold the opposite view. Right or wrong, there's a reason celebrities are considered "influential people".
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Just a thought.

Perhaps the NAACP should concern themselves more with people who have kids actually getting married, then move on to the gay marriage debate.
 
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washunut said:
Just a thought.

Perhaps the NAACP should concern themselves more with people who have kids actually getting married, then move on to the gay marriage debate.
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Same sex couples have kids.
 
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washunut said:
Just a thought.

Perhaps the NAACP should concern themselves more with people who have kids actually getting married, then move on to the gay marriage debate.
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Or they can address more than one issue at a time?

They do the ability to have opinions and offer their support for more than one issue.
 
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It's all politics. The NAACP has lost all credibility. It's nothing but a cheerleading squad for the Democrats.
 
Erod said:
Good lord, if gays marry, the infidelity and divorce rate will reach 99 percent.
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Does personal responsibility mean anything to you helpless victims? Or is it just something you throw out there to sound smart? Heterosexuals are responsible for their own marriage failures. No out side source can destroy love between two people. Get a grip....and get off line and go foster your own marriage while your at it.
 
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roguenuke said:
It doesn't matter who they polled. You are trying to infer something from a specific poll instead of what the trend is. The polls change depending on who does them. But the trend will give you an idea of how people feel about the issue over time.
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No, the trend was, at the most, 39% of blacks approving of gay marriage. A trend that was slowly trending up but nowhere near 53%. Go back and look at the graphs you posted from the Huff Post and see what the trend was. It was nowhere near a 14% jump in one month. It was more like a 14% jump over a few years.
Who they polled is very important. If it was a nationwide poll, focusing on all blacks, then it means something. If was a state poll, of California for instance, or of a specific age group, 18-25 for instance, that makes a big difference. You can mold any poll to make it say what you want by selecting the proper geographical location or age group.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yeah, because SSM being legal will make straight people want to get divorced and cheat on their spouse. :roll:
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I was hoping he was being sarcastic. But it is sometimes hard to tell.
 
Erod said:
Perhaps the NAACP should focus more on the lack of marriage within the black community.
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That doesn't prevent them from taking the prper stand of this issue. Fair is fair, regardless of race or gender.
 
Boo Radley said:
That doesn't prevent them from taking the prper stand of this issue. Fair is fair, regardless of race or gender.
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It is the proper stand. The argument is, however, that A) The NAACP isn't representing blacks as a whole because the majority of them do not approve of homosexuality and B) SSM does not apply to the black community as an issue affecting blacks specifically. Therefore, it is my and other's opinions that they made this statement strictly for political reasons. This is why, IMO, the NAACP has made itself irrelevant. Because they do things like this.
 
MarineTpartier said:
It is the proper stand. The argument is, however, that A) The NAACP isn't representing blacks as a whole because the majority of them do not approve of homosexuality and B) SSM does not apply to the black community as an issue affecting blacks specifically. Therefore, it is my and other's opinions that they made this statement strictly for political reasons. This is why, IMO, the NAACP has made itself irrelevant. Because they do things like this.
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They are largely a political institution. So, saying they ahd political reasons is like saying the night is dark. It's really a nonissue. An organization can lead as well as represent.
 
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