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    Re: NAACP Backs Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    According to Christians, it is wrong. Which, just so happens, are what most blacks are. That is where the disapproval of homosexuality comes from, as I'm sure you know. Like I said, right is relative in many things. This is one of them.
    According to many Christians it is wrong. That is changing. People are either accepting homosexuality or accepting that civil marriage is not the same thing as personal marriage, whether the personal marriage involves religion or not.

    Not 50 years ago, many Christians felt interracial relationships were wrong too. There are still a small percentage of people within the US, within both the white and black communities, that believe interracial relationships are sinful/immoral.
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    Re: NAACP Backs Same-Sex Marriage

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    I agree, having been raised with a black (step) dad and growing up in a black community, I know African Americans relied heavy on God to get them through slavery, this faith was passed from generation to generation...this is very much a Christian issue with many Black Americans who oppose marriage equality. That said, it still doesn't make it right.
    I agree with SSM because it's a matter of freedom. I also believe homosexuality is wrong. I believe that is what blacks are slowly working towards as well. Not as fast as some polls would suggest, but they are slowly working towards it.
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    Re: NAACP Backs Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I agree with SSM because it's a matter of freedom. I also believe homosexuality is wrong.
    I like how this is worded. Very nice.
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    Re: NAACP Backs Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    According to many Christians it is wrong. That is changing. People are either accepting homosexuality or accepting that civil marriage is not the same thing as personal marriage, whether the personal marriage involves religion or not.
    I think what is changing is most Christians realization that the government's ban on SSM is a restriction of freedom. I think they see, with the current administrations habit of infringing on moral beliefs, that banning SSM is the same thing. It is just on the other side of the issue. Personally, my belief on SSM has done a 180 ever since I've seen how the gov't can use cases such as it for precedence to do it to the other side of the coin. I'm not going to advocate for the restriction of anyone's freedom because it allows the gov't to do it to me as well.
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    Not 50 years ago, many Christians felt interracial relationships were wrong too. There are still a small percentage of people within the US, within both the white and black communities, that believe interracial relationships are sinful/immoral.
    And a more ignorant belief I can't recall. But there is a difference between interracial marriage and SSM. SSM is pretensed in Christianity by the explicit language in the Bible that states homosexuality is a sin. Contrary to that, there is nothing in the Bible that states interracial marriage/relationships are a sin.
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    Re: NAACP Backs Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    And a more ignorant belief I can't recall. But there is a difference between interracial marriage and SSM. SSM is pretensed in Christianity by the explicit language in the Bible that states homosexuality is a sin. Contrary to that, there is nothing in the Bible that states interracial marriage/relationships are a sin.
    It doesn't matter how ignorant the belief may appear to be to you. To me, many beliefs in Christianity are ignorant. That doesn't mean that I should have the right to deny you or any one else from holding those beliefs.

    But, that doesn't mean that those who hold those beliefs that others consider ignorant should be able to get those beliefs as law just because they believe those things.
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    Re: NAACP backs gay marriage

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    Wow... Is this just another campaign tactic of Obama? Maybe yes maybe no, but i certainly fall behind and back this decision the NACCP has made. More popular groups need to step up to the plate and back this message.

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    The move is purely political. It's well known that most of the black community is against homosexuality. It's almost ridiculous to even post a link, it's common knowledge. Blacks are generally very religious, and that puts them squarely against gays. There are certainly exceptions, just like whites but whites are more accepting of homosexuality.
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    Re: NAACP Backs Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It doesn't matter how ignorant the belief may appear to be to you. To me, many beliefs in Christianity are ignorant. That doesn't mean that I should have the right to deny you or any one else from holding those beliefs.
    Stop being so defensive. I was calling the belief that interracial marriage is wrong ignorant.
    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But, that doesn't mean that those who hold those beliefs that others consider ignorant should be able to get those beliefs as law just because they believe those things.
    I'm hoping you just misinterpreted my post because, if not, you are arguing simply for the sake of arguing as this point.
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    Re: NAACP backs gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Blacks, Gays And The Church: A Complex Relationship : NPR

    The move is purely political. It's well known that most of the black community is against homosexuality. It's almost ridiculous to even post a link, it's common knowledge. Blacks are generally very religious, and that puts them squarely against gays. There are certainly exceptions, just like whites but whites are more accepting of homosexuality.
    Once again, where are you guys getting these statistics that they are "against gays"? All I am seeing are statistics that they are against same sex marriage. It is funny, but when I argue to a conservative that people who are against same sex marriage are against gays, they get uber defensive and claim that is not the case, and yet over and over again I see conservatives making that case in this thread.
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    Re: NAACP Backs Same-Sex Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Right according to who? The NAACP? When the people they represent disagree? Right is relative in this country many times. Especially when speaking of something such as SSM.
    A majority has no hold on right an wrong. In fact a majority has often been wrong. The world wasn't flat. Nor was it the center of the universe. Whites weren't superior race and slavery was wrong. This is a fairness issue, and the NCCAP is properly leading in the right direction. SSM is right, fair, and where leads will lead.

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    Re: NAACP Backs Same-Sex Marriage

    It's just prejudice about "difference". There are plenty of things I find wrong - drinking is a good example - but I would never support a law against drinking. I don't care if everybody drinks a bottle of Jim Beam before they (presumably) pass out.

    It costs you nothing to accept other peoples differences so I'm amazed anybody cares at all. The only criteria I support is consenting adults, other than that it's none of my business. For a country built on freedom, it sure seems to takes us a long time to observe the obvious and stop the contentious.

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