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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Okay, "super rich" nonsense aside...

    If you voluntarily offer to terminate your citizenship of any given country for any reason, and if you do so in a legal manner, I think any future activity in the country should be done as though you're an alien. All paperwork, processes, investigations, and requirements applied to other foreigners coming into the country should apply to the former citizen.

    If you voluntarily offer to terminate your citizenship for nefarious reasons or while simultaneously committing crimes against the citizens of the country you should be flagged for immediate capture and holding if you re-enter the country so you can face the legal consequences of your criminal actions.

    Or you can cross over from Mexico.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you people are the ones wanting to sanction people for renouncing citizenship... the message is clear. " stay here or you will be punished"
    More like stay here so the government can take more of your money and give it to me. I am jealous of you, I despise you, and I want to use my government to punish you so I can have more stuff. But don't dare leave.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Rock stars left the UK during the "British invasion" of pop music, largely due to ridiculously high taxes, and mostly to America's benefit. Now the Americans, apparently unaware and uninfluenced by history, are also encouraging their best, brightest and richest to leave.

    We welcome them to Canada and I'm happy to see many of them settling in Costa Rica as well.

    It's the governments who are the greedy pigs, by the way, with their faces in the trough, an inability to balance a budget, and a recklessness in spending that will eventually bring the country down to its knees.
    Nice try grant...but for every rich one that leaves...it makes room for another to make themselves rich...and what we need is laws..to assure when the leave, they dont leave with all of it...and they cant come back...and If i may tell you...theres alot of rich canadians in florida that escaped canada....

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I do enjoy the liberal positions exhibited in the thread though.

    1. For renouncing citizenship in a free country, they should be given 20 years hard labor.
    That was me who said that. I'm not a liberal. In fact, I'm quite opposed to liberalism. Get your facts straight.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I do enjoy the liberal positions exhibited in the thread though.

    1. For renouncing citizenship in a free country, they should be given 20 years hard labor.
    And one more thing: I didn't say that they should be punished for renouncing their citizenship; I said they should be punished for tax evasion.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    That was me who said that. I'm not a liberal. In fact, I'm quite opposed to liberalism. Get your facts straight.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    And one more thing: I didn't say that they should be punished for renouncing their citizenship; I said they should be punished for tax evasion.
    OK, how exactly do you "punish for tax evasion" a foreign national?

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    I'm going to ignore future posts that phrase their arguments in the form of questions. Either argue your position or don't.

    Do you have any evidence whatsoever that all the rich people in the country broke any laws?
    Why Prosecutors Don't Go After Wall Street : NPR

    Official guidelines of the Justice Department post-2008 are not to prosecute white collar crime very severely because it would obtrude on economic development.


    And who supports bailouts?
    People who have stakes in the insurance and financing industries in which our entire economy is absorbed. Specifically rich people.


    That's just crony capitalism and the consumer and the taxpayers always suffer.
    You don't have a great deal of choice when the upper-income brackets hold your country's status as an economic superpower hostage.

    Which president is now sleeping with the head of GE? Can you understand why?
    The auto-mobile industry is kind of peripheral to this. I'm guessing you're trying to make a point about Obama's relationship to corporations.

    Obama enjoys no special relationship to Wall Street; the Washington system is set up so that you have to play ball with corporations if you want to achieve anything because of the inordinate influence of their lobbying power.

    Obama is certainly less sympathetic to Wall-Street than say, Mitt Romney will be, or George Bush was. But he has no choice when Wall-Street owns Congress.

    So now you accuse them of tax evasion, you have access to their psychological tests, yet this is the serious part.

    I see a dark future for America if this is genuinely centrist thought.
    ... why else would they renounce their U.S. citizenship besides not wanting to pay taxes? And the spiritual and mental anguish of having to be somewhat higher taxes after enjoying historically low levels at the public expense isn't a very credible excuse, especially when they were already evading taxes at the historically low rates anyway, because of the new opportunities of a global market.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    You have a choice really. Renounce your citizenenship to avoid taxes or donate to charity to avoid taxes like what Bill Gates did.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Hey man, I've seen more than one liberal on this site telling us (libertarians) to just leave if we don't like being taxed to death, so don't go on about how libertarians aren't playing nice boys and girls. The general attitude of libs on this site is that instead of controlling spending by government, and reigning in what is going to break us financially, WE shoud just leave. The problem with that attitude is that if those of us paying the bills were to all leave, this country wouldn't last 1 year.
    I support
    1- cutting spending by at least $300 billion a year
    2- raising taxes on ALL American earners
    3- letting anybody leave who does not like that system

    so please do not lump all people together in one not so nice nice and very unneat category.
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