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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If people are leaving this country because of government policies, we should be focusing on those policies and not the people.
    If someone renounces their citizenship he or she should never get it back nor should he or she ever be welcomed back. Deserters are worse than the people who created these government policies.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If it's all about doing what is in one's own best interest, ok... but it's a two-way street. The government is just fine in acting in it's own best interests, as well, when it says, "You used us to your benefit, and now when it comes time to contribute to the system that you so ably used, now you shun us. Ok, as is your right. It's not in our best interest to continue to appease you. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.".
    Whoops. Seems like I've done you a disservice. It was Henrin who said the American Dream didn't exist.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Okay, "super rich" nonsense aside...

    If you voluntarily offer to terminate your citizenship of any given country for any reason, and if you do so in a legal manner, I think any future activity in the country should be done as though you're an alien. All paperwork, processes, investigations, and requirements applied to other foreigners coming into the country should apply to the former citizen.

    If you voluntarily offer to terminate your citizenship for nefarious reasons or while simultaneously committing crimes against the citizens of the country you should be flagged for immediate capture and holding if you re-enter the country so you can face the legal consequences of your criminal actions.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Okay, "super rich" nonsense aside...

    If you voluntarily offer to terminate your citizenship of any given country for any reason, and if you do so in a legal manner, I think any future activity in the country should be done as though you're an alien. All paperwork, processes, investigations, and requirements applied to other foreigners coming into the country should apply to the former citizen.

    If you voluntarily offer to terminate your citizenship for nefarious reasons or while simultaneously committing crimes against the citizens of the country you should be flagged for immediate capture and holding if you re-enter the country so you can face the legal consequences of your criminal actions.

    The criminal consequence of renouncing citizenship to evade taxes is never being allowed to return.

    Which is an ineffective punishment as it assumes most billionaires feel deep affinity toward the United States, when their high standing in an increasingly global economy probably endows them with a more cosmopolitan perspective -- patriotism must seem rustic in comparison.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The criminal consequence of renouncing citizenship to evade taxes is never being allowed to return.

    Which is an ineffective punishment as it assumes most billionaires feel deep affinity toward the United States, when their high standing in an increasingly global economy probably endows them with a more cosmopolitan perspective -- patriotism must seem rustic in comparison.
    Would that not be included in my second scenario?
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Would that not be included in my second scenario?
    That was my guess, but it seemed counter-intuitive.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    During the Gilded Age why do you think Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt didn't renounce US citizenship? No, it wasn't because they were great and wonderful patriots. It was because the US had a high Tariff in place so we weren't subsidizing our competitors, and the US didn't have troops in every other country on the planet and subsidizing their defense.

    If a Robber Baron moved to Germany, and then the Franco-Prussian war broke out, they would have been paying lots of taxes. If a Robber Baron moved to China, tried to manufacture something there, they would be paying Tariffs to export to the US and probably lose everything in the constant wars that took place in China a century ago.

    This is pure globalism in action. Go Isolationist and pass a high Tariff, or shut fug up.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Truthfully, the amount of government that needs to be cut is beyond our current capacity to do so.
    As well the unions are so powerful that they could stop the country from functioning tomorrow.

    In many third world countries Union leaders are far more powerful than the Presidents because they are there for life ( in theory anyway) whereas presidents come and go. Many of the first world democracies, and States, Provinces and cities within them, have reached the same situation.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Yes, you're right, this is very serious. We should have given them more money during the bail outs and let them break more laws.
    Do you have any evidence whatsoever that all the rich people in the country broke any laws? And who supports bailouts? That's just crony capitalism and the consumer and the taxpayers always suffer. Which president is now sleeping with the head of GE? Can you understand why?

    In seriousness, you could lower their taxes to 5% and if surcharges didn't cost them more they would still engage in tax evasion of any kind they could. That's what their profession psychologically conditions them to do; save and make money through nook and every crevice they can exploit.
    So now you accuse them of tax evasion, you have access to their psychological tests, yet this is the serious part.

    I see a dark future for America if this is genuinely centrist thought.

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