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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Yes, you're right, this is very serious. We should have given them more money during the bail outs and let them break more laws.

    In seriousness, you could lower their taxes to 5% and if surcharges didn't cost them more they would still engage in tax evasion of any kind they could. That's what their profession psychologically conditions them to do; save and make money through nook and every crevice they can exploit.
    You're right. It's a game to them.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Someone already pointed out that people were engaging in tax evasion when taxes were at record lows and you ignored that and have stuck to your guns. Some people would consider that to be insane.

    You have a basic lack of insight into the worldview and motives of a wealthy person.
    Yes, I saw his class warfare diatribe.

    “they” (the class of rich people) are essentially sociopaths that will do anything to keep more of their money.

    Of course poor people do the same, but they aren’t sociopaths, they are simply victims of a bad system.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Fair point on who is making policy, but I was addressing the naivete and shortsightedness regarding philosophy, not actual policy.

    The irony was great, wasn't it?

    your opinion is people you disagree with are naive and short sighted. Earth shattering position you have there!

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

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    Yes, I saw his class warfare diatribe.

    “they” (the class of rich people) are essentially sociopaths that will do anything to keep more of their money.

    Of course poor people do the same, but they aren’t sociopaths, they are simply victims of a bad system.
    I have plenty of social criticism for everyone, and generally dislike most groups of people. If I had my way my approach to the welfare system would be radically different.

    Your evaluation of the wealthy and their motives is still wildly off base, though, and accusations of class warfare won't change anything.

    The most hilarious thing about this is that the wealthy people who have renounced their citizenship will still exert overwhelmingly more influence on the operations of Congress than the American people through the lobbying power of the corporations they are affiliated with. Next time we go to war, you can be sure the voices of these "billionaires in exile" will have more currency with our elected representatives than the much more manageable American public.

    Also, the wealthy aren't sociopaths anymore than you and I are sociopaths -- indeed, their self-absorption and lack of perspective is rather typical of most humans. They just enjoy a higher position on the income bracket, so it seems far more obnoxious.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    your opinion is people you disagree with are naive and short sighted. Earth shattering position you have there!
    Isn't that what everybody thinks, including yourself? Why would one even have an opinion if they didn't believe it were correct and people who disagreed were incorrect? You may not be using the same words, but you're essentially saying the same thing.

    Though I do sense that if you could actually refute my point... instead of opting for an ad hominem attack... you would.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    I do enjoy the liberal positions exhibited in the thread though.

    1. For renouncing citizenship in a free country, they should be given 20 years hard labor.
    2. Lock the door behind them.
    3. These people are criminals.
    4. So what, people are replaceable
    5. Taking part in the American dream is *bad*
    6. You owe far more than you legally owe, to the working class

    Self-evident absurdity I think. Even better, this is all built on top of the irony that some on these forums have periodically proclaimed "don't like it, then leave!". So they do, and they still get bitched at? I know, I know, you want their money, the rest is just window dressing.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    4. So what, people are replaceable
    This is mine and it's true. Got a problem with the truth?

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Isn't that what everybody thinks, including yourself? Why would one even have an opinion if they didn't believe it were correct and people who disagreed were incorrect? You may not be using the same words, but you're essentially saying the same thing.

    Though I do sense that if you could actually refute my point... instead of opting for an ad hominem attack... you would.
    Which point? The stupid one about sucking someones tits, or the even dumber one about miniscule spending at a later date being of no use to the economy? Or do I deal with the ignored reality, where productive members of society are leaving because they feel it is in their best interest too?

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I do enjoy the liberal positions exhibited in the thread though.

    1. For renouncing citizenship in a free country, they should be given 20 years hard labor.
    2. Lock the door behind them.
    3. These people are criminals.
    4. So what, people are replaceable
    5. Taking part in the American dream is *bad*
    6. You owe far more than you legally owe, to the working class

    Self-evident absurdity I think. Even better, this is all built on top of the irony that some on these forums have periodically proclaimed "don't like it, then leave!". So they do, and they still get bitched at? I know, I know, you want their money, the rest is just window dressing.
    Your lack of honesty is showing.

    Didn't racden say that the American dream doesn't exist? Hm. That's quite the libertarian position.

    Also irony -- suggesting that "20 years of hard labor" (from a socialist) is a liberal position self-evidently absurd.

    These people are criminals.
    They are criminals, pretty much, since it is tax evasion that motivates them. It's just hard to prove the way the law is currently worded. Or maybe not. We'll see.

    So what, people are replaceable
    Some people are heroes and can't be replaced. But we can probably find equally competent people who would be willing to enjoy the positions vacated by tax-evading billionaires.

    You owe far more than you legally owe, to the working class
    They enjoyed quite the recovery at the public expense. You'd think they would chalk any additional taxes up to paying back that for at least a couple years before jumping ship.

    Taking part in the American dream is *bad*
    Political engineering that makes the dream impossible to pursue for anyone with less than 401k is probably bad.

    Lock the door behind them.
    By far the mildest proposal, and already law, anyway. A better proposal would be too confiscate any and all property through every means you can, including by exerting influence on governments overseas.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    If it's all about doing what is in one's own best interest, ok... but it's a two-way street. The government is just fine in acting in it's own best interests, as well, when it says, "You used us to your benefit, and now when it comes time to contribute to the system that you so ably used, now you shun us. Ok, as is your right. It's not in our best interest to continue to appease you. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.".
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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