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Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

Not at all, I just laugh at the failures who think that its the rich who keep them from being winners.

I don't think it's an either or. There are both personal and institutional barriers to success.
 
I don't think it's an either or. There are both personal and institutional barriers to success.

not having ambition or brains being the most obvious
 
companies shouldn't pay taxes. and those claims are moronic. companies provide jobs to people who then pay taxes on the income they receive. sales tax is paid on stuff the companies sell. companies generally are a net benefit for society and those who work at or own them. People on welfare rarely provide any value to society other than voting for big spending pimps

Why not? A corporation is legally a person, right? And there are many very wealthy people hiding behind that person unaffected by liability unlike the rest of us. And yet no taxes? But I am aware of embedded taxes so I understand that ultimately, the little guy eats it anyhow. Corporations merely pass the taxes on to the consumer, and it is included in the cost of the items sold. As far as what they contribute: that's negotiable. Many are not providing communities with a tax base due to subsidies, loopholes, or evasion. Employment is often outsourced. And then there are the externalities that no one wants to discuss. My alternative is to eliminate corporate personhood and tax everyone the same. But that'll never happen. Whatever.
 
actually that is wrong. that sort of talent is hard to come by.
LOL. They are replaceable. If they weren't replaceable, then every time one of them died, the country would stop functioning. That doesn't happen. Instead, new people rise up and take their place. People like Steve Jobs die and the world keeps moving, no matter how you swing it.
 
Why not? A corporation is legally a person, right? And there are many very wealthy people hiding behind that person unaffected by liability unlike the rest of us. And yet no taxes? But I am aware of embedded taxes so I understand that ultimately, the little guy eats it anyhow. Corporations merely pass the taxes on to the consumer, and it is included in the cost of the items sold. As far as what they contribute: that's negotiable. Many are not providing communities with a tax base due to subsidies, loopholes, or evasion. Employment is often outsourced. And then there are the externalities that no one wants to discuss. My alternative is to eliminate corporate personhood and tax everyone the same. But that'll never happen. Whatever.

I find it funny that so many people whine that the rich aren't paying enough or that corporations need to pay more (and then whine when a corporation moves off-shore) yet they have no problem with almost half the voters not paying income tax and 3/4 voters are net tax consumers
 
not having ambition or brains being the most obvious

And yet even those with simple ambitions or few brains will have to provide for themselves through old age. If they can't obtain financial security on their own, they will become dependent on the state sooner or later. And not just a lazy few. Millions.
 
LOL. They are replaceable. If they weren't replaceable, then every time one of them died, the country would stop functioning. That doesn't happen. Instead, new people rise up and take their place. People like Steve Jobs die and the world keeps moving, no matter how you swing it.

its a question of timing
 
I am worried about you Turtle... genuinely worried. I thought you showed glimmers of hope now and then but then we have the outpouring of this sort of thing yet again and the call to war from the rich and endorsement of contract killings.

Is something wrong?
I worry more about having a nation that contains many people, even agents of the state such as yourself, the display open animosity and belligerence towards people whose only "crime" is to have financial security and accumulated wealth.

poor people are not my enemy.. the middle class is not my enemy.... but sure as hell, hate pimps like yourself make it crystal clear that I am their enemy.. over nothing more than financial success.
 
And yet even those with simple ambitions or few brains will have to provide for themselves through old age. If they can't obtain financial security on their own, they will become dependent on the state sooner or later. And not just a lazy few. Millions.
sadly we make dependency on the state far too easy
 
I worry more about having a nation that contains many people, even agents of the state such as yourself, the display open animosity and belligerence towards people whose only "crime" is to have financial security and accumulated wealth.

poor people are not my enemy.. the middle class is not my enemy.... but sure as hell, hate pimps like yourself make it crystal clear that I am their enemy.. over nothing more than financial success.

Post of the month. great comment. I have never been "against" the poor. I despise those who use them as pawns to gain power by taking the wealth of others to buy votes
 
I find it funny that so many people whine that the rich aren't paying enough or that corporations need to pay more (and then whine when a corporation moves off-shore) yet they have no problem with almost half the voters not paying income tax and 3/4 voters are net tax consumers

I'm not whining about anything. I'm simply offering solutions. But everything will continue to skip along as it always has. Until it doesn't.

Like I said, everyone should be paying the SAME percentage of their income. EVERYONE.
 
we have seen your claims that the wealth of the rich is only held by them as long as the rabble allow them to do so. You have claimed that the rich should fall to their knees and beg to keep some of what they have. if it comes to that, I hope the rich start using all their power to destroy those who would take their wealth

And what will then happen when the rich truly expose themselves as the enemy of the common man and even those who now lie to them telling it both tastes good and smells wonderful are not longer willing to participate in the charade? What happens when the veil is removed and we see the corroded cancer of disease that has corrupted the wealthy in their worship of Mammon above all else including their fellow humans? What happens when the rich follow your advice and declare war on the common man and their own servants decide that enough is enough and tonight is their last night in servitude. What happens when even the gated communities and private army can no longer keep you safe and you do not have enough shoulders to keep looking over before paranoia overwhelms you and the solace of your own treasured weapons beckons its peaceful song?

Do you really want to find out?

I dearly hope not ---- for your sake my friend.
 
I am worried about you Turtle... genuinely worried. I thought you showed glimmers of hope now and then but then we have the outpouring of this sort of thing yet again and the call to war from the rich and endorsement of contract killings.

Is something wrong?

this board is entertainment hay market and watching ninnies who take this place too seriously is extremely amusing. Nothing you say there is going to make the USA get any closer to the socialist paradise you hope for and nothing I say is going to help America get over its disease caused by the creeping crud of dependocrat malaise
 
... but sure as hell, hate pimps like yourself make it crystal clear that I am their enemy.. over nothing more than financial success.

How does you engaging in grade school name calling elevate your petty attack to the level of intellectual discourse?
 
And what will then happen when the rich truly expose themselves as the enemy of the common man and even those who now lie to them telling it both tastes good and smells wonderful are not longer willing to participate in the charade? What happens when the veil is removed and we see the corroded cancer of disease that has corrupted the wealthy in their worship of Mammon above all else including their fellow humans? What happens when the rich follow your advice and declare war on the common man and their own servants decide that enough is enough and tonight is their last night in servitude. What happens when even the gated communities and private army can no longer keep you safe and you do not have enough shoulders to keep looking over before paranoia overwhelms you and the solace of your own treasured weapons beckons its peaceful song?

Do you really want to find out?

I dearly hope not ---- for your sake my friend.


well come on man
If you think you can
I was a green beret in vietnam
no more of your fairy stories
cuz I got my other worries

(Jeffrey Hyman, 53rd and 3rd)
 
And what will then happen when the rich truly expose themselves as the enemy of the common man and even those who now lie to them telling it both tastes good and smells wonderful are not longer willing to participate in the charade? What happens when the veil is removed and we see the corroded cancer of disease that has corrupted the wealthy in their worship of Mammon above all else including their fellow humans? What happens when the rich follow your advice and declare war on the common man and their own servants decide that enough is enough and tonight is their last night in servitude. What happens when even the gated communities and private army can no longer keep you safe and you do not have enough shoulders to keep looking over before paranoia overwhelms you and the solace of your own treasured weapons beckons its peaceful song?

Do you really want to find out?

I dearly hope not ---- for your sake my friend.

dude you are not helping your cause. :doh
 
this board is entertainment hay market and watching ninnies who take this place too seriously is extremely amusing. Nothing you say there is going to make the USA get any closer to the socialist paradise you hope for and nothing I say is going to help America get over its disease caused by the creeping crud of dependocrat malaise

I suspected you were succumbing to despair and this now confirms it.

Buck up Turtle. We are all valuable. We are all important in our own way. We can all make a difference. Do not despair.
 
dude you are not helping your cause. :doh

its doesn't take much prodding to get Haymarket to revert to what he really thinks about the wealthy.

I want him to start his revolution on my driveway:mrgreen:
 
I suspected you were succumbing to despair and this now confirms it.

Buck up cupcake. We are all valuable. We are all important in our own way. We can all make a difference. Do not despair.

Its fun seeing someone become mastered by his own mythology
 
And what will then happen when the rich truly expose themselves as the enemy of the common man and even those who now lie to them telling it both tastes good and smells wonderful are not longer willing to participate in the charade? What happens when the veil is removed and we see the corroded cancer of disease that has corrupted the wealthy in their worship of Mammon above all else including their fellow humans? What happens when the rich follow your advice and declare war on the common man and their own servants decide that enough is enough and tonight is their last night in servitude. What happens when even the gated communities and private army can no longer keep you safe and you do not have enough shoulders to keep looking over before paranoia overwhelms you and the solace of your own treasured weapons beckons its peaceful song?

Do you really want to find out?

I dearly hope not ---- for your sake my friend.

are you all talk, or you have you put your hatred into action yet?

i'm right here... the evil corroded cancer ridden enemy of the common man..... what ya got for me, sister?
 
dude you are not helping your cause. :doh

What cause would that be?

I am only trying to help my friend Turtle see the error of his ways and lead him to salvation.
 
are you all talk, or you have you put your hatred into action yet?

i'm right here... the evil corroded cancer ridden enemy of the common man..... what ya got for me, sister?

Compassion and hope that you see the error of your ways and come to social redemption and embrace the common cause of your fellow man in a crusade of justice and a sustainable society. It is not to late to repent brother.
 
Compassion and hope that you see the error of your ways and come to social redemption and embrace the common cause of your fellow man in a crusade of justice and a sustainable society. It is not to late to repent brother.

socialism has now become the new religion and thus the opiate of the mediocre
 
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