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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I didn't know you were auditioning for a mini me role? his straight facts have been shown to be nonsense in several instances.
    By... lol...

    You?

    The number of times you've made a hard reference to a solid article in black and white in discussion that has crossed me likely fits on one hand...

    You can't figure out your taxes...

    shush...

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    By... lol...

    You?

    The number of times you've made a hard reference to a solid article in black and white in discussion that has crossed me likely fits on one hand...

    You can't figure out your taxes...

    shush...


    you either don't read many of my posts or you are lying

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    You've had every chance and still haven't explained the IF the bailouts were funded from taxes. You leave the unmistakable impression that you don't actually know how the bailouts were funded.
    They're not REALLY taxes... it's that the money belongs to the rich to begin with...

    or it's that the rich bailed themselves out with the money they themselves lost...

    Or it's that the poor don't pay enough taxes therefore redistributing their money to the rich is fair somehow...

    or that the rich print the money... and not the people's government...

    oh wait... you can't say that... "The people"

    Then you're not referring to 1% people...

    I'm sure the 1% appreciates you turtledude.... keep looking for your tax loophole

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you admit that the top one percent pay almost 40% of the income tax YET THEY ONLY MAKE 22% of the income. We are dealing with INCOME taxes not wealth taxes. You do understand the difference or is that too much to ask?
    Actually, the shares of income taxes paid very closely parallel the shares of wealth held in the economy. Things have been stirred up a little of late due to the calamity of the Great Bush Recession, but even under those oppressive Clinton tax rates, the wealthy were only being asked to pay what they could afford.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you either don't read many of my posts or you are lying
    You are aware... that most people on these forums take it as some sort-of nicetie that you're Ivy League graduated...

    you don't actually portray yourself as a purveyor of any knowledge...

    Nor do you have the balls to reference a direct article...

    citations don't violate copyright.

    If you're Ivy league why are you here?

    You don't teach anyone anything.

    Perhaps I should get on a princeton law listserv and cut and paste some exchanges of ours...

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your posts do not indicate you are smarter than most of the people on this board.
    How would you be in a position to judge a thing like that?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    however your posts clearly pretend that you are
    It wasn't pretending to note that there was no coal trade on the Ohio River in the 18th century or that the authors of the SS Act plainly stated that it was being funded through taxaton. Those were both in contravention of things that you tried to foist off on people after making them up out of thin air.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Actually, the shares of income taxes paid very closely parallel the shares of wealth held in the economy. Things have been stirred up a little of late due to the calamity of the Great Bush Recession, but even under those oppressive Clinton tax rates, the wealthy were only being asked to pay what they could afford.
    how can you possibly prove that at all?

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    You are aware... that most people on these forums take it as some sort-of nicetie that you're Ivy League graduated...

    you don't actually portray yourself as a purveyor of any knowledge...

    Nor do you have the balls to reference a direct article...

    citations don't violate copyright.

    If you're Ivy league why are you here?

    You don't teach anyone anything.

    Perhaps I should get on a princeton law listserv and cut and paste some exchanges of ours...

    ....quack...quack...
    I guess the problem involves how different people view this board. I see it as entertainment because I spend most of my "billable hours" proving things to people who matter. They are called judges or juries. so when I file a Memorandum of law supporting say a Fed R. Civ Pro. Rule 56 or 12(b)(6) motion i painstakingly provide the most recent case authority that supports my position with well documented references to the record or the evidence before the court. If you like doing that here go for it but most of the "proof" I see on this board really is not.

    saying the rich have more money can be proven. Saying they should pay more taxes cannot be.

    saying that "society" would be better off if the rich paid more is not something than can be proven because "better off" is not subject to one definition. Oh BTW I have never been contradicted on any issue involving firearms law or firearms usage. Those are areas where facts actually count-for example when someone says more gun means more crime we can cite the fact that gun ownership in the USA has increased but firearms related crimes have decreased


    Princeton doesn't have a law school last I checked.

    I am here because this place is amusing. Its fun watching sparrows pretend to be peacocks and friars pretend to be cardinals

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's not accurate.... SS revenue is borrowed by the government and , indeed, used as general revenue funds...
    See if you can follow the bouncing ball. The revisions of 1983 were designed to accumulate in advance a large pot of funds to be used in helping to pay for the eventual blip in retirement benefits owed to the baby-boom generation. As the result, SS has been sitting ever since on a growing pile of funds (currently $2.7 trillion) that it has no current use for. If nothing else, simple fiduciary responsibility requires that these funds be invested until needed so they might earn a competitive rate of return. For a variety of reasons, the investment vehicle used is US Treasury securities. As with any other investor, what occurs upon the sale of a security is an exchange of assets, not an exchange of ownership. SS has cash and would prefer notes. Treasury has notes and would prefer cash. They help each other out for a while. That's all there is to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    hell, SS benefits are paid from the general fund.
    No, you are likely confused by the fact that SSI and some Medicare benefits are paid from the general fund. No Social Security benefits are.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that has been confirmed numerous times on this board in many posts. Looks like the cardinal is not infallible
    "This board" is hardly an authority. It is principally a bunch of duped and misled plodders. As I said earlier, just look at some of the things you DO believe. As far as Social Security goes, you are in a position where you may safely take what the Cardinal says as being infallible.

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