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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you want him to present actual historical records? yeah, ok, good luck with that. lol
    Yeah - its a complete waste of both time and bandwidth to ask Turtle to present any historical documentation for his pontifications. But it still must be done as a step in honest debate. At least for some of us.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    These people are a disease and should be executed for treason.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Your idiotic generalizations that the rich are rapiing people pretty much sum up the essence of your attitude.
    Pretty close. There's just something about stealing from the poor to give to the rich that I don't like. Then there's all the lying about it. I don't like that very much either.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    And I tire of your sanctimonious attitude.
    No, you tire of seeing your phony claims held up as those of a right-wing stooge. There is nothing falsely pious about engaging in their total destruction. It is all perfectly straight-forward and perfectly straight-away.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Yes I saw your claim that you are some big washington left wing think tank economist...
    I doubt it, since I have not claimed that. Just another example of your claiming evidence where none in fact exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ..."nearing the end of your career" who has "been paid to give economic advice" etc. Its all crap...
    No, both of those are true. And I've been paid rather handsomely, I might add. This has all actually worked out quite lucratively for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...and your arrogance towards other posters contained in your posts is clearly signs of something other than actually knowing what you are talking about.
    No, yet again. It is all very much a sign of my knowing quite well what I am talking about. Across a broad range of relevant topics that some others have minimal to no recognizable capacity in. Right down in fact to where I point out that you used the word "arrogance" as both singular and plural in the sentence above. People who are trained in the language (lawyers, for example) don't make simple mistakes such as that.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You can rant all you want that the rich are "Stealing" from society. I think most of us see what the real issue is
    The real issue is that you have violated the old maxim that if you want to be the big fish in a small pond, you first have to find a small pond.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    More of the idiocy that the poor and middle class are not smart enough to contract properly and the enlightened elite must dictate the terms of the contract for them lest they be taken advantage of.
    LOL! Smart doesn't have anything to do with it in a world where people believe that it is the God-given right of shareholders to concentrate their power by appointing a small handful of highly-trained professionals to represent their interests, but it is the damnable work of Satan if workers should seek to do exactly the same thing. If you knew anything about labor-management relations that you didn't learn from FOX News, you'd have realized long ago that level playing fields and a balance of economic power are what lead to long-term peace and prosperity for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Everything you have posted demonstrates a sort of welfare socialist noblesse oblige attitude that you are the beneficent savior of those too stupid not to understand the big bad semi capitalist world we live in
    You aren't really one to talk here. From what I see, there are very few aspects of the real world that you actually understand at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I find it hilarious how long it takes you to respond to direct posts towards your psychobabble BTW.
    Oh, it could take weeks sometimes. This is a time-filler for me. It isn't the only thing I have to do all day. I'm busier and more productive than some others it seems. Contributing more to society, I guess you could say. As the result, you'll often have to wait your turn.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ..."disagraced Lochner era" means the FDR statist jurisprudence rejected line of cases that was seen as not statist enough
    Oh, Lochner is still disgraced, ninety years after the Taft Court began to tear it apart.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more of the "the rich have more-we need to loot them more" nonsense. Why don't you read the legislative history"
    So, no concession that your earlier claim of supporters of the SS Act having gone to great lengths to conceal its having been funded through taxation has been revealed to be just another completely made-up fable?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I find it interesting you don't deal with the massive tax hikes you want to impose on the people who already pay massive tax amounts
    "Massive" as in turning back the clock to those Abuse the Rich days of Bill Clinton? The increases proposed for the top two brackets are a drop in the bucket. Brain-dead Republicans won't tolerate even that. They'd rather follow Grover Norquist around like some bunch of shi-shi toy dogs in Paris Hilton's entourage.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its time for the rest of the country to start paying their fair share
    The easiest way to get them to pay more taxes is to give them some more money. If you don't give them enough to OWE any taxes, you can't really be surprised when they don't PAY any.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is ironic that some on the far right scream, whine and cry when the subject of RACE is introduced into a topic and we hear endless about "playing the race card". But in post after post, in thread after thread, rather than intelligently discuss the merits of national tax policy, the warriors of the right have a whole deck of nothing but ENVY CARDS which they play when all else fails them.
    Yup. And of course, all else fails them almost right away.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yeah - its a complete waste of both time and bandwidth to ask Turtle to present any historical documentation for his pontifications. But it still must be done as a step in honest debate. At least for some of us.

    you blather on about why FICA should be turned into another soak the rich-income redistributionist bit of nonsense so I referred you to the legislative history which would establish that this ponzi scheme never would have passed if it had been configured as you want it to be

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    these people are a disease and should be executed for treason.
    hyperbole much?

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Pretty close. There's just something about stealing from the poor to give to the rich that I don't like. Then there's all the lying about it. I don't like that very much either.


    No, you tire of seeing your phony claims held up as those of a right-wing stooge. There is nothing falsely pious about engaging in their total destruction. It is all perfectly straight-forward and perfectly straight-away.


    I doubt it, since I have not claimed that. Just another example of your claiming evidence where none in fact exists.


    No, both of those are true. And I've been paid rather handsomely, I might add. This has all actually worked out quite lucratively for me.


    No, yet again. It is all very much a sign of my knowing quite well what I am talking about. Across a broad range of relevant topics that some others have minimal to no recognizable capacity in. Right down in fact to where I point out that you used the word "arrogance" as both singular and plural in the sentence above. People who are trained in the language (lawyers, for example) don't make simple mistakes such as that.


    The real issue is that you have violated the old maxim that if you want to be the big fish in a small pond, you first have to find a small pond.
    the idiocy in your post is patent. You obviously have no clue what the term stealing means. You pretend that people doing well in the current economic system must be stealing from those who have not the talent, the ambition or the desire to do well themselves. That of course is absolutely stupid. Sure there are some wealthy people who have violated the law and the laws exist to deal with them. When it comes to the law you have proven you have no idea what you are talking about

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    So, no concession that your earlier claim of supporters of the SS Act having gone to great lengths to conceal its having been funded through taxation has been revealed to be just another completely made-up fable?


    "Massive" as in turning back the clock to those Abuse the Rich days of Bill Clinton? The increases proposed for the top two brackets are a drop in the bucket. Brain-dead Republicans won't tolerate even that. They'd rather follow Grover Norquist around like some bunch of shi-shi toy dogs in Paris Hilton's entourage.


    The easiest way to get them to pay more taxes is to give them some more money. If you don't give them enough to OWE any taxes, you can't really be surprised when they don't PAY any.


    In your haste to defend fellow travelers you have failed to even read what I posted. for example, my comment about Haymarket wanting massive tax hikes on those who pay too much already involves his desire to make all income subject to the FICA ponzi scheme forced contributions. You missed that with your braying about clinton tax levels.

    And what is even more idiotic is to claim that if we want the indolent middle class to pay more taxes we should GIVE them more money. What that means is we who pay the taxes would still be paying the taxes. Let me guess, you labor under the delusion that taxing the rich more and more will actually cause the middle and lower classes to become

    a) more productive
    b) less likely to drop out of school or engage in other destructive behavior that imposes costs on us net tax payers
    c) become less dependent on government

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