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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    completely irrelevant and you might even have known that when you posted it.


    I realize to be an elitist lefty one has to assume he knows what is better for "the common man" than those people themselves. They need your beneficent leadership if they are ever to escape their benighted existence as wage slaves preyed upon by the evil capitalist Like all children, they need a wise and able parent to teach them and guide them.
    Every human being dies. Just something I thought I would interject here. You are going to die. I'm going to die. Every person is going to die. And much of what makes us who we are as individuals was never chosen by us. We are heavily socialized primates living out a mortal existence trying to be something other than heavily socialized primates but failing on every turn because we are driven by the very impulses that have allowed our species to survive this long. This argument you are having is your own attempt to rationalize a pattern of behavior that was socialized into you and you are going to live out your entire life in this manner. As you grow older, like all humans, your focus will become increasingly narrow and your ability to adapt will significantly diminish as you lose the capacity to see beyond your cognitive biases.

    In short, you are just an animal with a brain evolved enough to create abstract justifications to convince yourself why you can treat other human beings in the manner that you do. In the end, you are going to be worm food.
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    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    completely irrelevant and you might even have known that when you posted it.
    Not much of a lawyer. The Lochner Era was based principally upon defense of a supposed right of contract. You're back to coal trade on the Ohio River in the 18th century.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I realize to be an elitist lefty one has to assume he knows what is better for "the common man" than those people themselves. They need your beneficent leadership if they are ever to escape their benighted existence as wage slaves preyed upon by the evil capitalist Like all children, they need a wise and able parent to teach them and guide them.
    Babble posted in the absence of anything actually meaningful to say.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." - Daniel Webster
    LOL! Daniel Webster was five years old when the Constitution was written. Try introducing him when the topic is the role of out-and-out elitists in the years leading up to the Civil War.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Just the facts, ma'am. And look at the garbage you DO believe.


    No, not at all. Some of the rich got that way in part by being fairly smart. They are able to discern what others seemingly cannot, namely that without broad-based wealth and demand in the economy, the road gets very rough. The feudalism that you seek is actually a much harder road to travel, even if you do send a smaller check to the IRS. People who understand wealth can see that, but you aren't in that club, so you don't.
    You keep talking out your rear as to me. As I have noted, every six months or so some new poster comes along and makes such idiotic claims only to get schooled by one of the moderators.

    Captain Courtesy noted that no one is purely altruistic and I believe him. You pretend that your desire for higher taxes on the wealthy is out of some sort of concern for society as a whole. I call that crap and its obvious that your sanctimonious posts are pretext for greed. . The government wasting more money isn't going to help the middle class and in many ways hurts it by suggesting to the middle class that its the rich, and the rich alone, who have a duty to pay down the deficit and fund all the garbage that the indolent middle class continues to feel entitled to.

    Your posts contain the same logic as the pusher who claims what he does is good for his clients while damning us who want the slothful addicts to face cold turkey

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Not much of a lawyer. The Lochner Era was based principally upon defense of a supposed right of contract. You're back to coal trade on the Ohio River in the 18th century.


    Babble posted in the absence of anything actually meaningful to say.
    your mindless yapping is silly. You were suggesting that corporations can force people to sign contracts working 90 hours a week. And of course you reject out of hand anything that rejects your smarmy elitist smugness of the trustafarian

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    How much money do you make? I think that if you make more than $20,000 you are simply being greedy and should be forced to give the rest of your money to those who are greedy like yourself.

    There are certainly "spoiled kid[s]" here but I think you are pointing your finger in the wrong direction.
    I'm not sure I follow your logic TNAR... ? ?

    If I make someone makes more than $20,000 they should give the rest of their money to other people who make more than $20,000 ... is that what you are saying? ?

    Which direction am I pointing my finger?

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    In fairness, I know retired people who live in Wyoming or Nevada for 6mos and a day just to avoid state taxes.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    what exactly is the increase in taxes on someone who has earned income of one million a year from your SS scheme alone?
    ALL Americans who earn money would pay the same 12% in FICA tax. Currently between 91 and 93% of Americans pay FICA tax on 100% of their earnings. The rest get a far lower and discriminatory rate based on the 109K cap bringing down their percentage tremendously as the income level rises.

    My proposal grants your wish Turtle. You are one of the people who constantly trumpet a flat tax where all pay the same percentage. That is what we are giving you regarding FICA.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    ALL Americans who earn money would pay the same 12% in FICA tax. Currently between 91 and 93% of Americans pay FICA tax on 100% of their earnings. The rest get a far lower and discriminatory rate based on the 109K cap bringing down their percentage tremendously as the income level rises.

    My proposal grants your wish Turtle. You are one of the people who constantly trumpet a flat tax where all pay the same percentage. That is what we are giving you regarding FICA.
    He and the rich dont want a flat tax for social security....they dont need it so they dont want to pay into it..

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    ALL Americans who earn money would pay the same 12% in FICA tax. Currently between 91 and 93% of Americans pay FICA tax on 100% of their earnings. The rest get a far lower and discriminatory rate based on the 109K cap bringing down their percentage tremendously as the income level rises.

    My proposal grants your wish Turtle. You are one of the people who constantly trumpet a flat tax where all pay the same percentage. That is what we are giving you regarding FICA.
    the more you pay the more you should get back. You want another tax to be yet another scheme to redistribute money from an overtaxed minority to the voters who put your masters in office. FICA was never supposed to be a tax per se so stop the silly rants.

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