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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is obvious to most people is that there are individuals who think that they are entitled to the wealth of others and those individuals go through all sorts of machinations trying to hide their greed by pretending society is helped by parasites
    And you rob people of their wealth via their labor.....Well at least you would like to do that.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    I rely on the DoI and Constitution as recorded in the historical record;
    No, you don't. You deliberately rely on a funhouse mirror distortion of the nation's founding documents, one in which words are simply lifted out of any logical context and given absurdly corrupted definitions and implications.

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    You are absolutely correct that "freedom" and "consent" have no bearing to the real world because we live in a police state where they do no exist outside of our imaginations.
    Yeah, a "police state". We've got that going on, don't we. Just another departure from the bounds of rationality.

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    So what? The DoI is the explanation for why the colonists declared independence.
    It was a rationalization for traitorous rebellion written for the benefit of a continental audience from whom much funding and other sorts of assistance would surely be needed if this enterpise of revolution were to have any hope of success.

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    As such, it is much more relevant to this discussion than the Constitution. Perhaps you need to review what we have been discussing.
    Or perhaps you need to delve into some actual history instead of the pre-chewed propaganda you've apparently been working on.

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    Pure bastardization of these clauses. Common defense and general welfare simply means that those laws which are passed with respect to the powers specifically delegated to the Congress must apply equally to all states. In other words, the federal government could not pass laws restricting South Carolina for the benefit of New York or other such legislation; it must apply to the nation as a whole. This is ignored by those who desire an all-powerful central government.
    What a crock. There is not now and never has been any need for a power to have been specifically "delegated" for it to exist. You've obviosuly not read any history at all. And of course, federal enterprises routinely tax one state in order to benefit another. Something as plain and simple as federal disaster assistance might have come into a mind unclogged by such mounds of ridiculous right-wing rhetoric.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And you rob people of their wealth via their labor.....Well at least you would like to do that.

    The concept of contract seems to elude you

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have a great idea-if people Like Cardinal Fang or Haymarket think the government really needs more money they can pay more taxes themselves rather than spending so much time trying to convince themselves why other people should fund the crap they want
    Those of us who actually DO have some wealth are a lot less disturbed by the prospect of higher taxes than all those carping phonies out there. We used to pay much higher taxes than we do now, you know. And we were still rich. If we do not restore the numbers and purcahsing power of the middle class, we are going nowhere. Rich people are not the horses.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Those of us who actually DO have some wealth are a lot less disturbed by the prospect of higher taxes than all those carping phonies out there. We used to pay much higher taxes than we do now, you know. And we were still rich. If we do not restore the numbers and purcahsing power of the middle class, we are going nowhere. Rich people are not the horses.

    I don't believe your nonsense. the only rich who bray for higher taxes tend to be those who believe that such a system actually insulates their position or those who never earned a dime of it in the first place.

    and the most idiotic claim of them all-taxing the rich more somehow helps the middle class

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The concept of contract seems to elude you
    Yeah, bring back Lochner.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Yeah, bring back Lochner.
    completely irrelevant and you might even have known that when you posted it.


    I realize to be an elitist lefty one has to assume he knows what is better for "the common man" than those people themselves. They need your beneficent leadership if they are ever to escape their benighted existence as wage slaves preyed upon by the evil capitalist Like all children, they need a wise and able parent to teach them and guide them.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    completely irrelevant and you might even have known that when you posted it.


    I realize to be an elitist lefty one has to assume he knows what is better for "the common man" than those people themselves. They need your beneficent leadership if they are ever to escape their benighted existence as wage slaves preyed upon by the evil capitalist Like all children, they need a wise and able parent to teach them and guide them.
    "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." - Daniel Webster

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." - Daniel Webster

    excellent point and there are some naive and uneducated lefties who actually believe that the stuff they support is designed to help more than themselves. However, when it comes to the rich lefties, politicians, trustafarians, ivory tower elitists or machiavellian power hungry control freaks, I don't believe for a second they actually believe the crap they spew. Its all about more wealth and power

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't believe your nonsense.
    Just the facts, ma'am. And look at the garbage you DO believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the only rich who bray for higher taxes tend to be those who believe that such a system actually insulates their position or those who never earned a dime of it in the first place.
    No, not at all. Some of the rich got that way in part by being fairly smart. They are able to discern what others seemingly cannot, namely that without broad-based wealth and demand in the economy, the road gets very rough. The feudalism that you seek is actually a much harder road to travel, even if you do send a smaller check to the IRS. People who understand wealth can see that, but you aren't in that club, so you don't.

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