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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    noting new-just more taxes on those who already pay most of the taxes.
    So what? They have most of the money too. It works out.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So what? They have most of the money too. It works out.

    yes, the from each according to their ability crap again. Guess what, SS was never intended as an unlimited income redistribution scheme. You already have that with the FIT and the estate/death tax. YOur solution to every problem is not to cut government spending or waste but to demand a minority be taxed more and more so your masters can use the money to buy the votes of their minions.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yes, the from each according to their ability crap again. Guess what, SS was never intended as an unlimited income redistribution scheme. You already have that with the FIT and the estate/death tax. YOur solution to every problem is not to cut government spending or waste but to demand a minority be taxed more and more so your masters can use the money to buy the votes of their minions.
    It cannot be any other way.

    I have asked you this over and over and over again and YOU ALWAYS FAIL TO REPLY. Lets try again:

    How could it be any other way be each contributing according to their ability? One cannot be asked to contribute MORE than they are ABLE to. That would make no sense at all.

    Your reply ignores the fact that I have repeatedly advocated for ALL Americans earning dollar one be taxed and ALL Americans see an increase in taxes.

    It also ignores my repeated statement that I would cut $300 billion from the budget in one year alone.

    Who are your masters Turtle? I have none. But you use the word so often its as if you use it constantly in your daily life speaking to others over you. So who are your own masters Turtle?
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It cannot be any other way.

    I have asked you this over and over and over again and YOU ALWAYS FAIL TO REPLY. Lets try again:

    How could it be any other way be each contributing according to their ability? One cannot be asked to contribute MORE than they are ABLE to. That would make no sense at all.

    Your reply ignores the fact that I have repeatedly advocated for ALL Americans earning dollar one be taxed and ALL Americans see an increase in taxes.

    It also ignores my repeated statement that I would cut $300 billion from the budget in one year alone.

    Who are your masters Turtle? I have none. But you use the word so often its as if you use it constantly in your daily life speaking to others over you. So who are your own masters Turtle?
    when the ponzi scheme was set up, it was clearly akin to a forced insurance program -it never would have passed if there was unlimited exposure to all income without a rising scale of benefits.

    yes you wnat small increases on the many with MASSIVE increases on those who already pay a massive amount of the taxes.

    what exactly is the increase in taxes on someone who has earned income of one million a year from your SS scheme alone?

    Let's get one thing clear, you believe that the current government spending is justified and thus the government is rightfully entitled to billions more of our wealth

    and finally, your scheme does nothing to actually cause the majority to demand less spending

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer
    My hope is that after the greedy all leave, the industrious and empathetic will rise in their place.
    How much money do you make? I think that if you make more than $20,000 you are simply being greedy and should be forced to give the rest of your money to those who are greedy like yourself.

    There are certainly "spoiled kid[s]" here but I think you are pointing your finger in the wrong direction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot
    Governments exist by the will of the people. All rights are assumed to exist and the people give up certain rights to the government in exchange for it's protection of all their other rights.
    That is the contemporary accepted definition so let's run with it. If government exists at the will of the people and the people voluntarily give up certain rights in exchange for specified protections and whatever else they claim, then why can't a person retract his acceptance without punishment? The existence of punishments (in the form of legislation such as the Ex-PATRIOT Act) and hostility from people such as yourself is de facto ownership (i.e. slavery).

    The choice is either a free country formed by the voluntary agreement of its free citizens or a police state formed without the consent of the tax slaves therein. You can't have both.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang
    I'd be more likely to find that you rely on a completely fabricated and fictionalized Constitution and definitions of words like "freedom" and "consent" that have no actual bearing to conditions in the real world.
    I rely on the DoI and Constitution as recorded in the historical record; which versions do you propose we base our debate on?

    You are absolutely correct that "freedom" and "consent" have no bearing to the real world because we live in a police state where they do no exist outside of our imaginations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang
    The Declaration of Independence is not a part of our law.
    So what? The DoI is the explanation for why the colonists declared independence. As such, it is much more relevant to this discussion than the Constitution. Perhaps you need to review what we have been discussing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang
    The founders quite deliberately gave Congress broad powers to tax and spend and to pass whatever other legislation it thought to be in furtherance of the common defense and general welfare.
    Pure bastardization of these clauses. Common defense and general welfare simply means that those laws which are passed with respect to the powers specifically delegated to the Congress must apply equally to all states. In other words, the federal government could not pass laws restricting South Carolina for the benefit of New York or other such legislation; it must apply to the nation as a whole. This is ignored by those who desire an all-powerful central government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley
    That's what the rich boot lickers like to think, but poor and middle class can't afford to change nationalities to avoid taxation.
    Then is the actual problem the fact that rich "boot lickers" are able to escape this taxation or that everyone is subject to this affront in the first place? It seems odd to attack those who are able to escape this abuse rather than attack those who transgress upon us...

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah what we learn is that some people think the government actually is entitled to even more of our money than it takes now.
    Considering that it takes less now than it has in fifty years, that would appear to be self-evident. Imagine needing help with the self-evident stuff. Wow!

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Considering that it takes less now than it has in fifty years, that would appear to be self-evident. Imagine needing help with the self-evident stuff. Wow!
    You can lay out the obvious... doesnt mean they're going to drink the water you lead them to.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    You can lay out the obvious... doesnt mean they're going to drink the water you lead them to.
    what is obvious to most people is that there are individuals who think that they are entitled to the wealth of others and those individuals go through all sorts of machinations trying to hide their greed by pretending society is helped by parasites

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is obvious to most people is that there are individuals who think that they are entitled to the wealth of others and those individuals go through all sorts of machinations trying to hide their greed by pretending society is helped by parasites
    Dude, you're whack...

    you've been repeating yourself for the 2 years I've been here...

    and it's not like fox news didn't teach you how to flap lip like that.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Dude, you're whack...

    you've been repeating yourself for the 2 years I've been here...

    and it's not like fox news didn't teach you how to flap lip like that.

    yeah none of the wealth stealers on the left ever repeat themselves. When the moon bat left spews the same garbage over and over I am going to point out why its garbage over and over.

    I have a great idea-if people Like Cardinal Fang or Haymarket think the government really needs more money they can pay more taxes themselves rather than spending so much time trying to convince themselves why other people should fund the crap they want

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