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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so people like me who have earned income of several hundred thousand dollars are going to get massive increases in our benefits?
    How many times do we have to go over this Turtle?


    My proposal would pop the cap and freeze current benefit levels. Social Security IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL IRA. It is a national societal program that is to benefit the people of a nation and not merely a return for individuals.

    You have your IRA for that.

    But then, you knew that since we have discussed this many many many times in many many many threads.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The founders assumed all rights existed precisely so they wouldn't have to write them down because to do so would have the effect of giving more power to the federal government to tax and spend and pass legislation in order to enforce it.
    That's odd. The founders quite deliberately gave Congress broad powers to tax and spend and to pass whatever other legislation it thought to be in furtherance of the common defense and general welfare. Let's keep in mind that the founders were not founding for the first time and that they were quite cognizant of the fact that their first weak-central-government attempt had come completely acropper in less than a decade. In writing the Constitution of 1787, they were very deliberately intending to create a strong central government that could properly govern over the parochial and self-serving carping of the 13 former colonies. To suggest that these gentlemen were somehow timid in their undertaking belies the document that they created itself, as well as the close ties that existed between its ratification and the subsequent adoption of ten amendments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    And too, it would be a monumental task to write all the rights down not knowing what all the rights are in existence or ever will be in the future...not mention the volumes it would take up.
    This was one of the Federalist arguments against a bill of rights and a chief reason why the Ninth Amendment was ultimately included in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The beauty of the constitution is in its simplicity. So yes, the notion of "assumed rights" is still alive and well in the constitution that limits the powers of government to what is written.
    What is written happens to be that the powers of government may expand to what is necessary and appropriate to the conditions of the times. There certainly were and still are rights mandated within the Constitution that are not in our time and were not in the time of the founders yet contemplated. The scope of the rights is no less elastic than the scope of the powers.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more trustafarian nonsense. why not confine all of your smarmy nonsense into one post rather than wasting so much space with multip0le rants. we get the fact that you seek benefit from others paying more taxes. Speaking of swamping and befuddling the minds of the gullible-that is what effete leftwingers adopting airs of superiority do-they pretend that they have assumed the mantel of savior of the poor in order to gain the power from the support of the masses, when in reality, those who assume elite status are merely using the poor as pawns
    More of that vegan-style posting. Does not contain any real meat at all. An actually educated poster could have come up with something more than yet another helping the same old prepackaged slop all over again. But no...

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But then, you knew that since we have discussed this many many many times in many many many threads.
    See, there's your difference between those who are interested in learning and those who are interested in spouting.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually the majority of Americans are tax evaders while 'the rich' have to carry them. You didn't know this?
    That's what the rich boot lickers like to think, but poor and middle class can't afford to change nationalities to avoid taxation.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Gilded Age of the last half of the 1800's was a veritable enlightened workers paradise compared to your ideas.
    Actually it was the period of the middle class creation in America, same thing happened in Bismark's Germany in the same time frame, while England started it's long decline into the rump state that it is.

    What is the connection between all 3 stories? Free Trade and Protectionism. American and Germany adopted Protectionism, England embraced Free Trade.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The average American hasn't yet figured out that wealthy Americans no longer view themselves as Americans. They view themselves as belonging to the "international community". Nationalism is just a tool to control the impoverished and ignorant. It always has been and always will be, hence why movements like the Tea Party gather around it.
    Funny, you think the Tea Party are nationalists.

    They aren't, the Tea Party is caucasian globalists who seem to be confused as to why the economy is crashing, just like the Democratic identity is non-caucasian globalist who seem to be confused as to why the economy is crashing.

    globalism and nationalism are mutually exclusive.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This is mine and it's true. Got a problem with the truth?
    From the bigger perspective, no doubt it's true.
    But from an individual rights perspective, I have to tell you, me, my wife, my daughter, my friends and family, are not replaceable. Sorry to break it to you! Goes back to what you value ThePlayDrive. Do you value your life, or not? If life has no value (i.e. everyone is replaceable), then please leave me your stuff when you check out :P

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How many times do we have to go over this Turtle?


    My proposal would pop the cap and freeze current benefit levels. Social Security IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL IRA. It is a national societal program that is to benefit the people of a nation and not merely a return for individuals.

    You have your IRA for that.

    But then, you knew that since we have discussed this many many many times in many many many threads.
    noting new-just more taxes on those who already pay most of the taxes.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    See, there's your difference between those who are interested in learning and those who are interested in spouting.
    yeah what we learn is that some people think the government actually is entitled to even more of our money than it takes now.

    highly edifying? not at all.

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