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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    You said the U.S. government isn't that bad. Which means it is bad, just not as bad as Israel.

    Tell me how many so-called "rights" you can exercise without government permission of some form?
    I'm sorry I'm only capable of understanding logical discourse...

    Perhaps we should get to basics and say that there are no rights without government? Especially since you don't seem like you would fare well in a state of nature...

    Next volley!

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY
    Perhaps we should get to basics and say that there are no rights without government?
    Yes, it appears we need to get back to the basics. Based on your statement above you do not agree with the basic founding principles of the United States since the sovereignty of individuals is clearly stated in the DoI. Tell me, if there are no rights without government, by what right does government exist?

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Tell me, if there are no rights without government, by what right does government exist?
    To provide rights...

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    lol do you have a brain?

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    To provide rights...

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    lol do you have a brain?
    properly-governments guarantee and enforce rights-rather than "providing them"

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    To provide rights...

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    lol do you have a brain?
    The question was by what right do governments exist in the first place. I did not ask the purpose of government, which is how you answered. I will continue to ignore your childish personal retorts.

    As TurtleDude said, the U.S. government was created for the specific purpose of protecting pre-existing rights; not to hand them out.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    properly-governments guarantee and enforce rights-rather than "providing them"
    I agree, I miss-spoke.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    The question was by what right do governments exist in the first place. I did not ask the purpose of government, which is how you answered. I will continue to ignore your childish personal retorts.

    As TurtleDude said, the U.S. government was created for the specific purpose of protecting pre-existing rights; not to hand them out.
    No, turtle-dude corrected me... you are running with an assumption.

    Read leviathan so I don't have to teach you.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The rich need to send a message to the people that run this country and leaving is a great way to do it.

    I support him in his move and wish him all the luck.
    Perhaps you should join him?

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Why leave? There is plenty of money to be made and after a certain point, no amount of money can buy happiness. That is such an immature move to make. Its worse than a spoiled kid who takes his bat and ball and goes home after missing a pitch.

    My hope is that after the greedy all leave, the industrious and empathetic will rise in their place.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    The question was by what right do governments exist in the first place. I did not ask the purpose of government, which is how you answered. I will continue to ignore your childish personal retorts.

    As TurtleDude said, the U.S. government was created for the specific purpose of protecting pre-existing rights; not to hand them out.
    Governments exist by the will of the people. All rights are assumed to exist and the people give up certain rights to the government in exchange for it's protection of all their other rights. The government protects all rights unless otherwise stated in a constitution or statutory or civil law.

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