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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

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    the bigger the government the more it can screw stuff up. and it was government that required banks to lend to irresponsible borrowers.
    no it was not

    texas did not suffer from a housing crisis because the banks were preventeg from idiotic loans. in places with less restrictive banking laws the banks made idiotic loans. See ireland and spain as foreign examples. the vast majority of loans were made voluntarily then sold other investors. they were made because the banks were making money on them
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, as with perhaps half the things you write in reply to me, I have no idea what you are talking about due to the intentionally brief style you have intentionally adopted so as to present as small of a target as is humanly possible.
    Haha..

    You think its worth my time to show up to vote on a budget that cuts $300 billion?

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Haha..

    You think its worth my time to show up to vote on a budget that cuts $300 billion?
    Are you not from the same end of the political spectrum that whipped itself into a frenzy pontificating about the tremendous waste of the funding for NPR a year or two ago?
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    ...the rich and corporations will always whine they pay too much taxs...
    Our system has it backwards. To encourage success, we should reward success. On the flip side we should discourage failure by punishing failure.

    To reward the successful, those at the top should get additional tax breaks.

    Back to the flip side, a "Punishment Tax" would be enacted on those making near minimum wage. This new tax would also help pay for the increased defense spending which is badly needed.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Our system has it backwards. To encourage success, we should reward success. On the flip side we should discourage failure by punishing failure.

    To reward the successful, those at the top should get additional tax breaks.

    Back to the flip side, a "Punishment Tax" would be enacted on those making near minimum wage. This new tax would also help pay for the increased defense spending which is badly needed.
    The Gilded Age of the last half of the 1800's was a veritable enlightened workers paradise compared to your ideas.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are you not from the same end of the political spectrum that whipped itself into a frenzy pontificating about the tremendous waste of the funding for NPR a year or two ago?

    Would I vote to cut funding to NPR? Yes I would. Would I want more than just cutting NPR? Yes I would. Would I demand that I get more than NPR funding cut? Yes I would.

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Would I vote to cut funding to NPR? Yes I would. Would I want more than just cutting NPR? Yes I would. Would I demand that I get more than NPR funding cut? Yes I would.
    And that pittance gets you aroused and ready to vote but $300 billion does not.

    Nuff said.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Our system has it backwards. To encourage success, we should reward success. On the flip side we should discourage failure by punishing failure.

    To reward the successful, those at the top should get additional tax breaks.

    Back to the flip side, a "Punishment Tax" would be enacted on those making near minimum wage. This new tax would also help pay for the increased defense spending which is badly needed.
    uh, no.....being rich should not entitle you to special treatment,special perks, and no, they are not special....and definitely NO on a 'punishment tax' as you put it ...

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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Billy asks the following questions:

    So how would you cut the welfare roles?

    Good question. I imagine it would take a combination of things including having a first rate education system which properly educates and prepares citizens to assume adult responsibilities and that would include work. I also favor a person doing an actual job which has benefit to society if we are going to hand them a check anyways.

    How about balancing the budget?
    I do not think that is a short term achievable goal since we are so out of whack right now. It starts with cutting $300 billion now and taking it year by year as we raise revenues at the same time.


    How about cutting spending?

    $300 billion right away.

    How many govt agencies would you gut? How many would you totally get rid of?

    I do not know.

    That is a serious matter that deserves serious consideration.




    I've heard this "education" thing for 30 years now and IMHO it hasn't been a success. There has to be a carrott and stick approach. If you're on the taxpayer dole, then you have to work 4 hours for the state/county/city doing whatever AND have 4 hours of training/education. Fail to accomplish either and you're on your own.


    I think holding our elected representatives collective feet to the fire on balancing the budget is a winner all around.


    $300 billion just isn't enough, IMO.


    There has to be redundency in the govt. If 2/3/4 govt agencies are doing the same thing, then 1 agency gets axed and the others are combined to do the job, until we see which can do it the best.


    But if our representatives believe there are any cuts to be made, all agencies need to be cut the same amount or %. And no hiring private contractors to pick up or fill in. Bit the bullet, the taxpayer is sure as hell is cutting back.
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    Re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And that pittance gets you aroused and ready to vote but $300 billion does not.

    Nuff said.
    That is where you are wrong. If you offer it up in a budget that cuts $300 billion its still not worth my time.

    If you think I will accept tiny little cuts along the way the answer is still no. I want more and everything else will be a no.

    I'm not a republican hay and while they accept your retarded games, I will not.
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