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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    Banishment is not going to change these people. They used the "American dream" to get where they are, and now they want to discard this country like a used piece of toilet paper. Twenty years of hard labor in a penal camp should teach them the proper amount of respect for working people and the lower and middle class citizens of this country.
    Well, what you propose is called fascism. Why the hell would you want ot put someone in a "penal camp" who used their brain and drive to succeed? Aren't these the type of people we should encourage to stay in this country?

    In addition, they didn't "use" the American Dream. They believed it and lived it. Except they didn't read the fine print added about 50 years ago. You have the right to succeed but aren't entitled to what you earn anymore.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    I think a much more interesting article could be written about the so-called stateless super-rich, as this alternet article sounds like so much partisan whining.

    My first thought was that surely everyone is at least nominally the citizen of some country, even if they don't live there much. So "stateless" is an overstatement.

    It must be nice to have so much money that you can use it, rather than the laws of a country, as the guarantor of your rights. That sort of raw power living would get exhausting I would think, and lonely...your only friends are the ones you buy. But you only have protection so long as you have friends that are impressed with you. I'm reminded of the scene in the movie Blow where George Jung loses all his money because Noriega nationalized the banks.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    Banishment is not going to change these people. They used the "American dream" to get where they are, and now they want to discard this country like a used piece of toilet paper. Twenty years of hard labor in a penal camp should teach them the proper amount of respect for working people and the lower and middle class citizens of this country.
    these people did far more for this country than the parasites who sit back and demand to be given more and more wealth of others.

    Your lean for example proves that you support parasitic government. "hard labor" is something you ought to try sometime rather than demanding others work hard to fund your existence.

    people have a duty to do what is best for themselves. If that means leaving to avoid the swarms of ticks and fleas that is their choice

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Well, what you propose is called fascism. Why the hell would you want ot put someone in a "penal camp" who used their brain and drive to succeed? Aren't these the type of people we should encourage to stay in this country?

    In addition, they didn't "use" the American Dream. They believed it and lived it. Except they didn't read the fine print added about 50 years ago. You have the right to succeed but aren't entitled to what you earn anymore.
    fascism and socialism generally end up in the same disgusting place-destruction of human rights

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I heard about that @#$% Facebook founder who renounced his citizenship to avoid taxes. I think we should tell him, sure, he can avoid those taxes like that, but he's never allowed back into the country for any reason, no tourist visas, no business visas, nothing. Don't let him ever set foot onto American soil, and if he does, arrest him and put him in prison for illegal immigration. Make the fine for his release and deportation whatever amount of money his taxes as an American citizen would have been.
    another brilliant liberal position. drive them out of the country by targeting them unfairly, then further harm the economy by not allowing the wealthy to visit here and spend money.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    I remember when Hollywood libs were threatening to renounce citizenship when Bush was elected, unfortunately it was all talk but I don't remember other libs bashing them like they are bashing people for not wanting to give half of their income to a corrupt inept wasteful government.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    1,780 is .05% of 1% of the total population of this country. And it doesn't even say what the income level is of the alleged "super rich" for comparison.

    Doing a quick search I found this:
    The 400 highest-earning households in the United States averaged nearly $345 million in 2007,
    So best case scenario, let's say in 2011 all 1,780 defectors made $345 million each (that's generous). That's $614 billion.

    With the current rate of $10 billion per day to run the government, we could survive for 61.4 days if we took all of the income.

    I don't think this issue is worth much anger or concern, tbh.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The rich need to send a message to the people that run this country and leaving is a great way to do it.

    I support him in his move and wish him all the luck.
    Or they could just pick better people for us to vote for, seeins how they pre-screen all our candidates.
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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Let them them leave. There are plenty of people willing to take their place. Nobody's irreplaceable.

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    re: Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I heard about that @#$% Facebook founder who renounced his citizenship to avoid taxes. I think we should tell him, sure, he can avoid those taxes like that, but he's never allowed back into the country for any reason, no tourist visas, no business visas, nothing.

    I agree with that.Those who renounce their citizenship should never be allowed back into the country again regardless of reason. If possible I think we should also ban American businesses from having anything to do with those that renounce their citizenship.

    Don't let him ever set foot onto American soil, and if he does, arrest him and put him in prison for illegal immigration. Make the fine for his release and deportation whatever amount of money his taxes as an American citizen would have been.
    While illegal immigration is a crime under Title 8 Section 1325 illegal immigration for the first offense is punishable with 6 months in jail and fined between 50-250 dollars. So he would not be tossed into prison,unless this is his second time trying to sneak into the country which is then punishable with 2 years in prison. You would have to change the law to state that anyone who renounces their citizenship to avoid taxes and comes back illegally will be imprisoned until their pay back taxes. A citizen of another country who is not employed or self-employed in the US does not owe income taxes to the US, they pay income taxes to what ever country they are citizens of. So I do not think you can hold them for taxes they don't owe.
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