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Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

It is only asserted the purpose is "tax evasion." It might be harassment evasion.

On taxes, the government can summarily seize any assets and accounts they want to, with the burden on you to prove you should get it back. Money is not safe in banks or any other form the IRS can identify.

The level of paperwork required is also massive. For example, a new rule requires filling out a form each and everytime a business pays someone $600 or more. For some, that is a massive level of paperwork as it requires a seperate form for each expenditure each time. Any bank transaction of $10,000 or more is automatically reported to the DEA and a special form must be filled out stating the purpose of the expenditure.

The greater reason might not be to avoid taxes. It might because they do not want to be forced to be essentially employees of the IRS, to live for the IRS and tire of receiving dozens of threatening letters demanding more information and forms a day.

They also may have tired of lawyers and incessant threats and demands from them too. It may not only because of taxes. It may be because they want to live an easier, more secure and less stressful life.
 
I thought these people were supposed to be role models for the rest of us. Choosing greed over patriotism like this makes for a pretty bad one. The message here is "I love obscene amounts of money more than I love my country." I guess we've seen their true colors now.

Basically, "You're either with us or against us."

Didn't Bush say something like that...:lol:
 
I say let people leave when they wish. As long as their past tax bills are all paid up, they should be free to leave on good terms.
 
People leave for greener pastures, maybe Singapore is the new U.S. in terms of opportunity.
Penalties for ex pats, geesh some people are so childish.

parasites hate flea collars and sheep dip too
 
You should try making some sense with your posts. I have no idea what your point is or why you are attacking me.

Bull****. You understand what I'm saying just fine. You support the existing law and you support expanding it. We both know it.
 
Bull****. You understand what I'm saying just fine. You support the existing law and you support expanding it. We both know it.


its a common diversion-to pretend something is confusing that everyone else knows is obvious.
 
People leave for greener pastures, maybe Singapore is the new U.S. in terms of opportunity.
Penalties for ex pats, geesh some people are so childish.

It is not as if there is any place for them to go. Other than Singapore, the US has the lowest taxes in the first world. Anyone that thinks they are finding greener pastures are really just looking at the lawn on the other side of the fence.

http://www.worldwide-tax.com/

Does anyone else see just how shallow this all is? First, there is no place to go. Second, consider that we have millions of men aged 18-45 willing to die for our country, yet we have certain individuals that we are discussing herein that find American citizenship a little too pricey, say inconvenient to their balance sheets. Scum! Pity the foo that even has pity on these maggots.
 
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Bull****. You understand what I'm saying just fine. You support the existing law and you support expanding it. We both know it.

YOu insisting that i understand you does not mean you are saying anything of substance.

That is what I know and know well.
 
its a common diversion-to pretend something is confusing that everyone else knows is obvious.

those who worship before the same altar often hear the same voices whispering the secrets of the universe into their ears. The rest of the world hears nothing.
 
those who worship before the same altar often hear the same voices whispering the secrets of the universe into their ears. The rest of the world hears nothing.


you welfare-socialists have secret meetings?
 
It is not as if there is any place for them to go. Other than Singapore, the US has the lowest taxes in the first world. Anyone that thinks they are finding greener pastures are really just looking at the lawn on the other side of the fence.

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It is not as if there is any place for them to go. Other than Singapore, the US has the lowest taxes in the first world. Anyone that thinks they are finding greener pastures are really just looking at the lawn on the other side of the fence.

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Does anyone else see just how shallow this all is? First, there is no place to go. Second, consider that we have millions of men aged 18-45 willing to die for our country, yet we have certain individuals that we are discussing herein that find American citizenship a little too pricey, say inconvenient to their balance sheets. Scum! Pity the foo that even has pity on these maggots.

Why should anyone choose to pay more taxes?
You call them scum, I just see them taking advantage of a greater opportunity.

When people change states for these reasons, do you consider them scum as well?
 
Who was it that put this country into a recession? Oh thats right, the rich.

Ask me if I give a damn if they renounce thier citizenship.
 
you welfare-socialists have secret meetings?

What does that even mean? :roll:

YOu have been repeatedly informed that I want not one American to be on welfare.
 
What does that even mean? :roll:

YOu have been repeatedly informed that I want not one American to be on welfare.



So how do you propose, or what is President Obama plan, to get everyone off welfare? And please don't give me the current "tax the rich" slogan. Because we all know this is just a slogan for the stupid who'll buy into the rich not paying their "fair share". It's gonna take the middle class and those 48% not paying taxes to chip in to get us out of this pit we're in.

What is your plan and/or the Presdent's plan to accomplish this "welfare free" America?
 
America does not own rich American citizens. People should be allowed to leave if they want to. If they want to leave, because they want a better business climate, or lower taxes, then they should be allowed to.

Do we send back rich people who leave Venezuela, because they don't want to fund the corrupt government. Do Venezuelans in America, have to pay Venezuelan taxes. No, they don't because the US government are not complying with Venezuela. So why do we expect Americans, as the only western country in the world, to do the same. Only oppressive countries try to prevent their own citizens from leaving.
 
Who was it that put this country into a recession? Oh thats right, the rich.

Ask me if I give a damn if they renounce thier citizenship.

populist garbage

what put the country in a recession was too many people who think the government has a duty to take care of them
leading to too much government, too much control etc
 
America does not own rich American citizens. People should be allowed to leave if they want to. If they want to leave, because they want a better business climate, or lower taxes, then they should be allowed to.

Do we send back rich people who leave Venezuela, because they don't want to fund the corrupt government. Do Venezuelans in America, have to pay Venezuelan taxes. No, they don't because the US government are not complying with Venezuela. So why do we expect Americans, as the only western country in the world, to do the same. Only oppressive countries try to prevent their own citizens from leaving.

It's certainly a double standard.
When others come here, we'll welcome them with open arms, especially if they have money.
If some leave, they're "scum."

I seriously question the principles and logic some people use.
 
So how do you propose, or what is President Obama plan, to get everyone off welfare? And please don't give me the current "tax the rich" slogan. Because we all know this is just a slogan for the stupid who'll buy into the rich not paying their "fair share". It's gonna take the middle class and those 48% not paying taxes to chip in to get us out of this pit we're in.

What is your plan and/or the Presdent's plan to accomplish this "welfare free" America?

i have repeatedly and frequently stated that I want ALL Americans earning dollar one to pay more taxes. And that includes the 47% currently not paying federal income tax. I will search for my prior posts where I posted actual percentage increases and put them up here.

Basically I would have ALL American earners paying at least 5% of their income in federal income tax. Current middle class taxpayers would see about a 3% increase. Upper earners would see about a 5% increase. I would end most deductions for all. I would end the inheritance tax and the capital gains taxes and simply treat them as normal income and apply the appropriate tax rate schedule. I would pop the cap on FICA limits and have ALL Americans pay FICA on all of their earnings instead of just the 93% who now do.
 
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i have repeatedly and frequently stated that I want ALL Americans earning dollar one to pay more taxes. And that includes the 47% currently not paying federal income tax. I will search for my prior posts where I posted actual percentage increases and put them up here.

Basically I would have ALL American earners paying at least 5% of their income in federal income tax. Current middle class taxpayers would see about a 3% increase. Upper earners would see about a 5% increase. I would end most deductions for all. I would end the inheritance tax and the capital gains taxes and simply treat them as normal income and apply the appropriate tax rate schedule. I would pop the cap on FICA limits and have ALL Americans pay FICA on all of their earnings instead of just the 93% who now do.

Watch how super fast the debt disappears...but its not going to happen Haymarket....the rich and corporations will always whine they pay too much taxs...all the while they pay next to nothing year after year....and the GOP will always champion everyone else paying for the richs tax cuts
 
i have repeatedly and frequently stated that I want ALL Americans earning dollar one to pay more taxes. And that includes the 47% currently not paying federal income tax. I will search for my prior posts where I posted actual percentage increases and put them up here.

Basically I would have ALL American earners paying at least 5% of their income in federal income tax. Current middle class taxpayers would see about a 3% increase. Upper earners would see about a 5% increase. I would end most deductions for all. I would end the inheritance tax and the capital gains taxes and simply treat them as normal income and apply the appropriate tax rate schedule. I would pop the cap on FICA limits and have ALL Americans pay FICA on all of their earnings instead of just the 93% who now do.

I partially agree... i'm actually sorta ok with an across the board increase in income taxes.
not on board with the inheritance tax idea, the capital gains tax idea... and i'm so not on board with doing away with the cap on FICA.

that said, I will not support any tax increases unless they are coupled with, or preceded by, comprehensive spending reform... I don't like the idea of just throwing more money at the federal government without them changing their irresponsible ways.
 
I partially agree... i'm actually sorta ok with an across the board increase in income taxes.
not on board with the inheritance tax idea, the capital gains tax idea... and i'm so not on board with doing away with the cap on FICA.

If you placed three piles of one million dollars in front of a person - one coming from wages, one coming from capital gains and the third from inheritance there is nobody on the planet who could tell them apart with any degree of accuracy. Why should the government give discriminatory preferential rates to the income streams of the rich over the income streams of working people?
 
If you placed three piles of one million dollars in front of a person - one coming from wages, one coming from capital gains and the third from inheritance there is nobody on the planet who could tell them apart with any degree of accuracy. Why should the government give discriminatory preferential rates to the income streams of the rich over the income streams of working people?

A great example is Mitt Romney who makes millions every year in investment income...and paid 13% income tax or less
 
I do not care if they leave. No hard feelings. Goodbye, and good luck.



EDIT: I'm making plans to retire to Panama.
 
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