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    Best and Worst Countries To Be A Mother: U.S. Ranks Only #25

    Best and Worst Countries To Be A Mother: U.S. Ranks Only #25


    When State of the World’s Mothers 2012 was released by Save The Children this week, timed to commemorate Mother’s Day, the American media pounced on one point made in the 70-page report: The U.S. ranked #25 in a tally of which countries were the best and worst places for being a mom.

    The criteria in the Mothers’ Index are all factors affecting the health, security, and well-being of mothers. The U.S. comes up alarmingly short in these key areas:

    • Risk of maternal mortality. With a 1 in 2,100 risk of maternal death — meaning the lifetime chance of death from some cause related to pregnancy or having children — the U.S. has the highest risk of any industrialized nation. A woman in the U.S. is more than 7 times as likely as a mom from Ireland or Italy to die from a pregnancy-related cause.
    • Under-5 mortality. The U.S. rate for losing a child under the age of five is 8 per 1,000 births, which puts us on a par with Qatar, Slovakia, and Montenegro. Forty nations rate better than we do.
    • Maternity leave. According to the report, we have the least generous maternity leave policy of any wealthy nation, and we’re the only developed country that does not guarantee paid leave for working mothers. Only a handful of all countries in the world do not guarantee the right.
    • Preschool enrollment and the political status of women also hurt our ranking. In both areas, the report places the United States in the bottom 10 among developed countries.




    Best and Worst Countries To Be A Mother: U.S. Ranks Only #25

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    What is alarming is the mortality rate for pregnant women and children under five. 25 is a rather dismal figure, but I am curious to know what agenda the study was trying to accomplish.

    I wonder how Norway's nationalized health care system can be so superior when many Norwegians go to different countries for treatment due to the long waits for many procedures. If that is the case, it would seem that Norway's number one status is dubious.

    Is this "study" just propaganda to support Universal Health care? I mean, come on: "Save The Children."
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    Re: Best and Worst Countries To Be A Mother: U.S. Ranks Only #25

    These types of studies aren't really helpful for our country.
    They don't break down the stats per state, but rather compare a country with a population of over 300 million (U.S.), to one with 5 million (Norway).
    Part of the reason these things work out like that is just plain numbers.

    Another thing is that we have a higher birth rate, so it's kinda inevitable that we'd also have a maternal death rate.
    There are simply more women exposed to maternal death, by being pregnant.

    Edit: Just to add, I'm not making excuses or saying that the U.S. is the best place to be a mother.
    I'm just pointing out, that statistics can be used to mislead people.
    I'm sure there are things we can improve upon.
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    Re: Best and Worst Countries To Be A Mother: U.S. Ranks Only #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    These types of studies aren't really helpful for our country.
    They don't break down the stats per state, but rather compare a country with a population of over 300 million (U.S.), to one with 5 million (Norway).
    Part of the reason these things work out like that is just plain numbers.

    Another thing is that we have a higher birth rate, so it's kinda inevitable that we'd also have a maternal death rate.
    There are simply more women exposed to maternal death, by being pregnant.

    Edit: Just to add, I'm not making excuses or saying that the U.S. is the best place to be a mother.
    I'm just pointing out, that statistics can be used to mislead people.
    I'm sure there are things we can improve upon.
    The connection between fertility rate and maternal death rate is not well extablished. However, it is logical to assume an inverse relationship. Since most complications occur in a primagravidae, a country with a low birth rate will have a sample population with a larger proportion of first timers. Therefore, there should be a higher maternal death rate.

    Remember, we're talking about rates and not totals.

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    Re: Best and Worst Countries To Be A Mother: U.S. Ranks Only #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    The connection between fertility rate and maternal death rate is not well extablished. However, it is logical to assume an inverse relationship. Since most complications occur in a primagravidae, a country with a low birth rate will have a sample population with a larger proportion of first timers. Therefore, there should be a higher maternal death rate.

    Remember, we're talking about rates and not totals.
    I don't think we can assume that though.
    We'd have to examine the number of children, per person and the death rate for 1 time mothers and 2nd + time mothers, to find a real connection.
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    Re: Best and Worst Countries To Be A Mother: U.S. Ranks Only #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    These types of studies aren't really helpful for our country.
    They don't break down the stats per state, but rather compare a country with a population of over 300 million (U.S.), to one with 5 million (Norway).
    Part of the reason these things work out like that is just plain numbers.

    Another thing is that we have a higher birth rate, so it's kinda inevitable that we'd also have a maternal death rate.
    There are simply more women exposed to maternal death, by being pregnant.

    Edit: Just to add, I'm not making excuses or saying that the U.S. is the best place to be a mother.
    I'm just pointing out, that statistics can be used to mislead people.
    I'm sure there are things we can improve upon.
    No, you are using statistics to mislead people by pointing out a statistical irrelevance .. population size.
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    Re: Best and Worst Countries To Be A Mother: U.S. Ranks Only #25

    I agree with Harry here. They seem to be using straight numbers without taking into account the size and population of each country.

    But hey, at least according to the study we are up 6 whole spots from last year! We're improving!
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    Re: Best and Worst Countries To Be A Mother: U.S. Ranks Only #25

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, you are using statistics to mislead people by pointing out a statistical irrelevance .. population size.
    It's not irrelevant at all.
    Population size can effect averages in many ways, either positive or negative.

    The fact is that these statistics don't really address a problem specifically in the U.S.

    I mean, if we're going to change policy based on these numbers, wouldn't it be more relevant to use specific state statistics, rather than national statistics.
    After all, the maternal death rate in New York, may be lower than Norway and higher in Mississippi.
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    Re: Best and Worst Countries To Be A Mother: U.S. Ranks Only #25

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, you are using statistics to mislead people by pointing out a statistical irrelevance .. population size.
    Population size is a factor if you are not basing your statistics on a per capita basis.
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    Re: Best and Worst Countries To Be A Mother: U.S. Ranks Only #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't think we can assume that though.
    We'd have to examine the number of children, per person and the death rate for 1 time mothers and 2nd + time mothers, to find a real connection.
    We can assume the death rate is higher for first timers, it's well established. We can't assume a smaller birth rate means the sample size has a higher proportion of first timers, but it's certainly likely.

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