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    Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    http://theopenglobe.org/wiki/Malaysi..._of_war_crimes

    "The second "Kuala Lumpur War Crime Tribunal" found Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo guilty of torture and war crimes. The vote was unanimous among the five-panel tribunal after the week-long hearing."

    "Although some consider this tribunal to be symbolic only, according to human rights activist and lawyer Francis Boyle, it could be the start of similar trials against Bush in other parts of the world."

    This is what the president of the tribunal had to say about the verdict:
    “As a tribunal of conscience, the Tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the Tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.
    “The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals and be publicised accordingly."

    This is also not the first time something like this has happened. Bush and Tony Blair were conviced of War crimes in 2011 in connection with the war on Iraq:



    A few questions: do you think that there is merit to these kinds of convictions, or do you think that these Malaysians are just trying to stick it to America? Beyond that, do you think that Americans will ever respect these kinds of courts? I mean, really, what is the point of a "Court of Conscience." Should anyone respect such courts?

    Are American leaders inherently immune to international law?
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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    I think these "Courts" are a wonderful thing. This particular group of criminals have escaped punishment for their crimes. Now they get to suffer negative worldwide publicity and perhaps fear to travel to many overseas destinations, and deservedly so. I think the USA has the big military in the World at this time and that gives them tacit "immunity." It does not change the facts. The USA media won't even discuss the issue, but the rest of the World is listening. It just makes it easier to keep track of the real scumbags in our own closets. Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Addington, Yoo, Bybee, Haynes, etc. and reflections on their collective legacy. Their legacy continues at the Guantanamo military tribunals ongoing where it is a military "secret that any of the accused were tortured. Call these people convicted by this "sham" court to testify. Is the Military tribunal another "sham" court?

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    they should come and try to arrest Bush. we could then cause that country to cease to exist which would be the proper response.. Maybe the sore loser lefties can go to arrest Bush too, We will laugh when the Secret Service cuts these wanna be world court enforcers down like the scum they are

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    This court, it's founder and organization are not neutral and had no choice but to deliver a guilty verdict. The KLFCW also has merchandise such as Tee Shirts and buttons for sale... beleive their mascot is a kangaroo...


    The Founder
    Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad.
    Founder & Chairman of KLFCW

    Tun Mahathir is also known for his criticisms of western and developed countries. Even after his retirement as Prime Minister of Malaysia, Tun Mahathir is still considered as one of Asia’s most influential leaders as well as among developing nations and non-aligned movement. He is also noted in the Western world as an outspoken critic of Western civilization.
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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This court, it's founder and organization are not neutral and had no choice but to deliver a guilty verdict. The KLFCW also has merchandise such as Tee Shirts and buttons for sale... beleive their mascot is a kangaroo...



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    sounds like a scumbag to me

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    *looks at thread*...huh...this is interesting...hmm.

    *switches tab to 4chan and browses for porn.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Maybe we should be charging them with crimes against humanity.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Thanks for posting. I posted about this earlier today. Several members replied that they didn't find this newsworthy. Glad you persevered and posted a more complete thread.

    When international tribunals are applying the standards of the Nuremberg trials and finding a past President of the US guilty of war crimes, I think it's pretty darned newsworthy. Our international reputation has to be protected. Allowing Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, et al, to get off without any accountability hurts our standing in the world.

    That matters on many, many fronts, from war, to commerce, to simply putting us in a position where we cannot take the "high road" on human rights and other issues.

    If we lose all our international good will, it puts our country at a serious disadvantage. All the military might in the world (which we pretty much have) is not enough.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Sounds like a circle jerk to me.
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