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Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

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http://theopenglobe.org/wiki/Malaysia_tribunal_finds_Bush,_Cheney,_Rumsfeld_gui lty_of_war_crimes

"The second "Kuala Lumpur War Crime Tribunal" found Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo guilty of torture and war crimes. The vote was unanimous among the five-panel tribunal after the week-long hearing."

"Although some consider this tribunal to be symbolic only, according to human rights activist and lawyer Francis Boyle, it could be the start of similar trials against Bush in other parts of the world."


This is what the president of the tribunal had to say about the verdict:
“As a tribunal of conscience, the Tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the Tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.
“The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals and be publicised accordingly."


This is also not the first time something like this has happened. Bush and Tony Blair were conviced of War crimes in 2011 in connection with the war on Iraq:



A few questions: do you think that there is merit to these kinds of convictions, or do you think that these Malaysians are just trying to stick it to America? Beyond that, do you think that Americans will ever respect these kinds of courts? I mean, really, what is the point of a "Court of Conscience." Should anyone respect such courts?

Are American leaders inherently immune to international law?
 
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I think these "Courts" are a wonderful thing. This particular group of criminals have escaped punishment for their crimes. Now they get to suffer negative worldwide publicity and perhaps fear to travel to many overseas destinations, and deservedly so. I think the USA has the big military in the World at this time and that gives them tacit "immunity." It does not change the facts. The USA media won't even discuss the issue, but the rest of the World is listening. It just makes it easier to keep track of the real scumbags in our own closets. Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Addington, Yoo, Bybee, Haynes, etc. and reflections on their collective legacy. Their legacy continues at the Guantanamo military tribunals ongoing where it is a military "secret that any of the accused were tortured. Call these people convicted by this "sham" court to testify. Is the Military tribunal another "sham" court?
 
they should come and try to arrest Bush. we could then cause that country to cease to exist which would be the proper response.. Maybe the sore loser lefties can go to arrest Bush too, We will laugh when the Secret Service cuts these wanna be world court enforcers down like the scum they are
 
This court, it's founder and organization are not neutral and had no choice but to deliver a guilty verdict. The KLFCW also has merchandise such as Tee Shirts and buttons for sale... beleive their mascot is a kangaroo...:lol:

The Founder
Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad.
Founder & Chairman of KLFCW

Tun Mahathir is also known for his criticisms of western and developed countries. Even after his retirement as Prime Minister of Malaysia, Tun Mahathir is still considered as one of Asia’s most influential leaders as well as among developing nations and non-aligned movement. He is also noted in the Western world as an outspoken critic of Western civilization.

The Founder
 
This court, it's founder and organization are not neutral and had no choice but to deliver a guilty verdict. The KLFCW also has merchandise such as Tee Shirts and buttons for sale... beleive their mascot is a kangaroo...:lol:



The Founder

sounds like a scumbag to me
 
*looks at thread*...huh...this is interesting...hmm.

*switches tab to 4chan and browses for porn.
 
Thanks for posting. I posted about this earlier today. Several members replied that they didn't find this newsworthy. Glad you persevered and posted a more complete thread.

When international tribunals are applying the standards of the Nuremberg trials and finding a past President of the US guilty of war crimes, I think it's pretty darned newsworthy. Our international reputation has to be protected. Allowing Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, et al, to get off without any accountability hurts our standing in the world.

That matters on many, many fronts, from war, to commerce, to simply putting us in a position where we cannot take the "high road" on human rights and other issues.

If we lose all our international good will, it puts our country at a serious disadvantage. All the military might in the world (which we pretty much have) is not enough.
 
Sounds like a circle jerk to me.
 
:yawn:

It's relevant (as a story) if... and only if... they...

Oh, who am I kidding? It's not relevant. At All.
 
they should come and try to arrest Bush. we could then cause that country to cease to exist which would be the proper response.. Maybe the sore loser lefties can go to arrest Bush too, We will laugh when the Secret Service cuts these wanna be world court enforcers down like the scum they are

Attacking and destroying an entire nation and killing off mass populations because of their court's verdict, isn't the right response. In fact, I'd say that that would defiantly makes the USA a dangerous country and no better than North Korea or Iran.
 
Attacking and destroying an entire nation and killing off mass populations because of their court's verdict, isn't the right response. In fact, I'd say that that would defiantly makes the USA a dangerous country and no better than North Korea or Iran.

neither will happen

in reality, if they seized Bush I would settle for a special forces kill team exterminating those who grabbed him and those who helped it to happen
 
The prosecution of Bush sets a useful precedent for the prosecution of Barack Obama for war crimes involving the murder of innocent civilians through his drone war. Thousands of innocent civilians have died at President Obama's direction in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. President Obama should be tried at the Hague.
 
The prosecution of Bush sets a useful precedent for the prosecution of Barack Obama for war crimes involving the murder of innocent civilians through his drone war. Thousands of innocent civilians have died at President Obama's direction in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. President Obama should be tried at the Hague.

nope, I'd be in favor killing anyone from any country who tried to grab Obama as well
 
nope, I'd be in favor killing anyone from any country who tried to grab Obama as well

Who is talking about grabbing anyone? There are only a couple countries in the world that would enter the borders of another sovereign nation to retrieve a wanted criminal. I doubt Malaysia is one of them. The only chance a former US President has of being arrested is if he is arrested by a foreign nation while he is visiting that foreign nation. And I doubt even Bush would be dumb enough to travel to a country where he is a wanted criminal. And if he was stupid enough to do it anyway, I doubt there would be any sort of invasion to get him back and the few Secret Service agents that travel with former Presidents wouldn’t be able to do anything to stop it.

It is fun to think about, but it won’t happen. We’re the bully on the block and there is nothing little countries like Malaysia can do about it, even when they are in the right.
 
The prosecution of Bush sets a useful precedent for the prosecution of Barack Obama for war crimes involving the murder of innocent civilians through his drone war. Thousands of innocent civilians have died at President Obama's direction in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. President Obama should be tried at the Hague.

In general, this thread, and the court that made this 'decision' are all irrelevant to the real world.

But you do make a funny point. See, if those that screamed about Bush being a war criminal said the same about Obama for what he did, they might not get laughed at as soon as they open their mouths. Oh, the laughing would come, just not as quick. ;)
 
Sarcogito is correct. There is neither the stated intention, nor the ability, to enter sovereign US territory, and take those mentioned to Geneva to face the ICC. The point that it is necessary to draw the world's attention to the war crimes which are alleged to have been committed, not only by those people, but also by people such as ex-Prime Ministers Blair and Howard, is a valid one, assuming evidence thereof is in existence.

The invasion of Iraq, and the fact that it was not conducted by legal force of an UN Security Council Resolution, are indisputable facts, for which a veritable mountain of evidence exists, and the justification given by the Bush administration (that of WMD stockpiles) has proven to be baseless.

Ex-President George Bush has stated that he authorised water-boarding (regarded internationally as torture), and both detention without trial, and extraordinary rendition, (for which evidence exists) are internationally regarded as crimes. Tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the invasion, so deeds which may be regarded as crimes against humanity have certainly been committed. It is proper that exactly who was responsible for these crimes be established, even if the power of the US can prevent any punishment being externally imposed.

As a Brit, I am more than happy for ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair to hauled off to the ICC, to answer for his role in what was done. What puzzles me is the crudely aggressive responses of posters here, against the proposition that something similar be the case with suspected American perpetrators. Why is this so? Are not Americans concerned about their reputation as a just people?
 
Are not Americans concerned about their reputation as a just people?

Many Americans don't give a damn what rest of the world thinks. The "My country, right or wrong" attitude is far too prevelant. Other countries better not step out of line, but we can do what we want.
 
...Are not Americans concerned about their reputation as a just people?

No, we on the American right are not in the least concerned with foreign opinion. In fact large numbers of Americans are somewhat unfriendly to Europeans. Btw, nice to see you again. I didn't know you were also a member of DP. :)
 
Well when people lie and lie and lie and lie about a country to send our troops in "defense" which turns out just to be a bunch of bull**** and we are aggressors and we let our leaders go off this, it points out what kind of country we have become
 
Many Americans don't give a damn what rest of the world thinks. The "My country, right or wrong" attitude is far too prevelant. Other countries better not step out of line, but we can do what we want.

One version or another of Isolationism has been America's traditional foreign policy. Consider it our default setting. America can turn inward. Britain can't.
 
Wow! What a turn of events!

Unfortunately for Malaysia, I had already held this trial in my garage and had found them not guilty, and, unfortunately, double jeopardy invalidates their ruling.

Oh well.
 
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