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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Obama should be tried for the Libyan slaughter. Just as guilty as Bush.
    I agree with that.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Who is talking about grabbing anyone? There are only a couple countries in the world that would enter the borders of another sovereign nation to retrieve a wanted criminal. I doubt Malaysia is one of them. The only chance a former US President has of being arrested is if he is arrested by a foreign nation while he is visiting that foreign nation. And I doubt even Bush would be dumb enough to travel to a country where he is a wanted criminal. And if he was stupid enough to do it anyway, I doubt there would be any sort of invasion to get him back and the few Secret Service agents that travel with former Presidents wouldn’t be able to do anything to stop it.

    It is fun to think about, but it won’t happen. We’re the bully on the block and there is nothing little countries like Malaysia can do about it, even when they are in the right.
    any foreign nation arrests any of our presidents its time for massive death and destruction-including the death of any politician in that country who instigated such actions and any others who support it. Your idiotic hatred of America is pathetic. In most countries-the ones you probably worship the most-you'd be jailed or shot for saying the same thing about the leadership

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Yes. Big OIL got the war started. The OIL is now in the distribution network controlled by same. Before the war the OIL got to market, the same amount of OIL but Saddam got the booty, in Euros. No change in supply/demand but a change in who shares in the profits. Those same Big OILIES make big money supplying the fuel for wars, so no need to speculate why it behooves them to initiate wars. I mean they profit at least twice under the worst of circumstances. You probably think they are just nice businessmen doing nice business. That's why all the WARS are on the topography with OIL and GAS and Minerals underneath. War and more wars is good for business at both ends. Who'd a thunk it?
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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    True. No President is going to allow the precedent to be set that you can arrest former Presidents of the United States. You arrest Bush, you go to war with the United States, and your military effectively ceases to exist.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    True. No President is going to allow the precedent to be set that you can arrest former Presidents of the United States. You arrest Bush, you go to war with the United States, and your military effectively ceases to exist.

    and those who ordered such things should get the Barrett 50 caliber lobotomy

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Res Cogitans View Post
    What does Obama have to do with this? I doubt Obama gets a free pass on his drone war. I'd suspect that the Malaysians aren't as blined by American Partisan politics as most Americans are.

    The issue here is one of two lines of questioning: 1) Should American Presidents be immune to international law? If so, why? 2) Are courts like this even legitimate in the first place? Should they be? and what would it take for them to earn legitimacy?
    Bush had the force of American law supporting his tragic invasion of Iraq. Obama's drone war has no basis in law to support it. That's why Obama is relevant. Besides, Bush has stopped killing people. Obama is gearing up for more killing by flying robots.

    Let me play the devil's advocate. How can Americans be subjected to the jurisdiction of a court the legitimacy of which is not recognized by the United States govt.? Should they be subjected to the jurisdiction of international tribunals? Not without the consent of the American people. How likely is that to happen. What would earn the legitimacy of these tribunals in the eyes of Americans? Persuasion followed by the consent to jurisdiction. In the absence of consent there can be no jurisdiction.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    The liberal internationalist order treasured by the international left is coming to an end. It's existence was only possible because of the room opened up by Pax Americana. With the end of American hegemony the Western Epoch of history comes to an end, and will be replaced by something that doesn't operate by the rules of the Geneva Convention, the United Nations or by international treaty.

    As evidence for this proposition I move to admit the Chinese response to the attempt by the global warming crowd to impose rules on their pollution. I also move for the admission of the Chinese interpretation of the Law of the Sea Treaty. Western internationalists are now coming face to face with a force they can't harangue, hector, harass or intimidate.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    True. No President is going to allow the precedent to be set that you can arrest former Presidents of the United States. You arrest Bush, you go to war with the United States, and your military effectively ceases to exist.
    If i were president i would let Bush and the rest be arrested. They all broke international laws reguarding many of which were set in place by the US. They deserve to be prosecuted as any other citizen would now.
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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Reasons for War: Things you might have forgotten about Iraq.

    BalancedPolitics.org - War on Iraq (Pros & Cons, Arguments For and Against, Advantages & Disadvantages)

    Start with these. Keep reading up on your own.

    Recommended Reading


    Why Iraq Was Inevitable (article by Arthur Herman)
    The Clinton Administration's Public Case Against Saddam Hussein
    The Saddam-al Qaeda link
    12 Iraqi War Myths from Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time
    Saddam Hussein's Philanthropy of Terror - by Deroy Murdock
    Debunking 8 anti-war myths lied about the conflict in Iraq
    WMD Stockpiles Or No Stockpiles: 11 Reasons Why We Were Right To Hit Iraq
    The Mother of All Connections (between Iraq and al-Qaeda)
    Life Under Saddam Hussein (White House press release)
    See men shredded, then say you don't back war
    IRAQ- some links to terror by 'backhoe'
    Links to articles connecting Saddam, Al Qaeda, and terrorism by 'peach'
    The Connection : How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein Has Endangered America (book by Stephen Hayes)
    Saddam: King of Terror (book by Con Coughlin)
    WMD: The Murderous Reign of Saddam Hussein (movie/documentary)
    Translating the Iraq Documents (blog by jveritas)
    Regime of Terror: Documenting Saddam Hussein's Support of Terrorism (blog by Mark Eichenlaub)
    Foundation for Defense of Democracies
    Download FlowPlayer (free video player for the web)
    Download videos from Reasons for War: Things you might have forgotten about Iraq.
    The New York Times - search news articles going back to 1851
    Google News Archive Search - historical archives going back decades
    NewsLibrary.com - news research made easy
    I took the trouble to read all the direct links you supplied.

    I was already familiar with the information provided in the Wikipedia article, and nothing therein legally justified the invasion of sovereign territory.

    The other references were an American blog, an American discussion forum, and a diatribe against Islam in general by another American blog. Not a single opinion based upon International Law, or the UN Charter, deeming the invasion justified or legal. Hardly impartial evidence. If being ill-informed means being free of pro-American prejudice, then I am happy to accept that categorisation.
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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    True. No President is going to allow the precedent to be set that you can arrest former Presidents of the United States. You arrest Bush, you go to war with the United States, and your military effectively ceases to exist.
    That may be the case, but why should this be so?
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