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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Are not Americans concerned about their reputation as a just people?
    Many Americans don't give a damn what rest of the world thinks. The "My country, right or wrong" attitude is far too prevelant. Other countries better not step out of line, but we can do what we want.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    ...Are not Americans concerned about their reputation as a just people?
    No, we on the American right are not in the least concerned with foreign opinion. In fact large numbers of Americans are somewhat unfriendly to Europeans. Btw, nice to see you again. I didn't know you were also a member of DP.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Well when people lie and lie and lie and lie about a country to send our troops in "defense" which turns out just to be a bunch of bull**** and we are aggressors and we let our leaders go off this, it points out what kind of country we have become


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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Many Americans don't give a damn what rest of the world thinks. The "My country, right or wrong" attitude is far too prevelant. Other countries better not step out of line, but we can do what we want.
    One version or another of Isolationism has been America's traditional foreign policy. Consider it our default setting. America can turn inward. Britain can't.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Wow! What a turn of events!

    Unfortunately for Malaysia, I had already held this trial in my garage and had found them not guilty, and, unfortunately, double jeopardy invalidates their ruling.

    Oh well.
    One who makes himself a worm cannot complain when tread upon.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope, I'd be in favor killing anyone from any country who tried to grab Obama as well
    It's hard to let go of that which you have fervently loved for decades. I damn near broke me psychologically. External enemies are remote and of little importance. Those domestic opponents who would transform our world out of existence are the enemies at the gates howling for our blood. Depriving them of Obama as a hero is more important than the incarceration of the Big Govt. Republican called George Bush.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    It's hard to let go of that which you have fervently loved for decades. I damn near broke me psychologically. External enemies are remote and of little importance. Those domestic opponents who would transform our world out of existence are the enemies at the gates howling for our blood. Depriving them of Obama as a hero is more important than the incarceration of the Big Govt. Republican called George Bush.
    No offense but it seems that you can't let go of that which you have fervenlty loved for decades and it's making your writing damn near incoherent.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The prosecution of Bush sets a useful precedent for the prosecution of Barack Obama for war crimes involving the murder of innocent civilians through his drone war. Thousands of innocent civilians have died at President Obama's direction in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. President Obama should be tried at the Hague.
    Obama should be tried for the Libyan slaughter. Just as guilty as Bush.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Sarcogito is correct. There is neither the stated intention, nor the ability, to enter sovereign US territory, and take those mentioned to Geneva to face the ICC. The point that it is necessary to draw the world's attention to the war crimes which are alleged to have been committed, not only by those people, but also by people such as ex-Prime Ministers Blair and Howard, is a valid one, assuming evidence thereof is in existence.

    The invasion of Iraq, and the fact that it was not conducted by legal force of an UN Security Council Resolution, are indisputable facts, for which a veritable mountain of evidence exists, and the justification given by the Bush administration (that of WMD stockpiles) has proven to be baseless.

    Ex-President George Bush has stated that he authorised water-boarding (regarded internationally as torture), and both detention without trial, and extraordinary rendition, (for which evidence exists) are internationally regarded as crimes. Tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the invasion, so deeds which may be regarded as crimes against humanity have certainly been committed. It is proper that exactly who was responsible for these crimes be established, even if the power of the US can prevent any punishment being externally imposed.

    As a Brit, I am more than happy for ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair to hauled off to the ICC, to answer for his role in what was done. What puzzles me is the crudely aggressive responses of posters here, against the proposition that something similar be the case with suspected American perpetrators. Why is this so? Are not Americans concerned about their reputation as a just people?


    The Republicans have a little trouble finding reality, no problem finding self interest or self indulgence. If they admit to Bush's crimes, they admit to complicity and they would rather pretend that the Bush administration lies were Gospel truths. It's especially easy if you have profitted handsomely from wars. They invest in Military OFFENSE, but call it defense.

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    Re: Malaysia Tribunal finds Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld guilty of war crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The prosecution of Bush sets a useful precedent for the prosecution of Barack Obama for war crimes involving the murder of innocent civilians through his drone war. Thousands of innocent civilians have died at President Obama's direction in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. President Obama should be tried at the Hague.
    What does Obama have to do with this? I doubt Obama gets a free pass on his drone war. I'd suspect that the Malaysians aren't as blined by American Partisan politics as most Americans are.

    The issue here is one of two lines of questioning: 1) Should American Presidents be immune to international law? If so, why? 2) Are courts like this even legitimate in the first place? Should they be? and what would it take for them to earn legitimacy?
    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
    -- Bertrand Russell

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