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AR mother sues constitutional violation after son cut from varsity team

Ikari said:
Did he suck? If so then he doesn't get to play.

****, I didn't play sports in high school, I wasn't "robbed of an educational experience".
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Did you suck?
 
VanceMack said:
'Just' like that huh? :lamo

FM
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Yep. People wanting to use the court system to fix their disappointments. People think they're entitled to things and when they don't get them... Sue, sue, sue...

If you disagree why don't you articulate why?

Maybe you can't.
 
Tigger said:
This is the natural progression of what we've been teaching our kids in youth sports throughout this country... Everyone gets to play. Everyone gets a trophy. You bat until you hit the ball. Nobody gets told they're not good enough. What else did people think that was going to lead to?
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Federal entitlement programs?
 
hazlnut said:
Just like those white kids suing colleges for not letting them in...
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And those people are stupid too. These are things that need to be earned. Don't earn them, don't get them. Screw these moron's feelings.
 
Aderleth said:
Is mom representing her kid? I'm asking because I've really got to wonder what kind of lawyer would take this case.
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A bloodsucking one. I was recently part of a lawsuit at work and I ended up hearing the prosecution lawyers talking privately. They flat out said they didn't give a damn about their clients, they didn't care if they won or lost, they were just there for the money and they were getting paid regardless. Sounds like a pretty typical lawyer to me.
 
I was on varsity in four sports... two as a freshman. I was cut from one my junior year when I slacked and made it back senior year. Point is... I never thought of complaining much less sueing...
 
Thrilla said:
athletics are extracurricular activities...
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And you aren't allowed to play sports unless you have a C average... at least that is how it was in my day.
 
Bodhisattva said:
And you aren't allowed to play sports unless you have a C average... at least that is how it was in my day.
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we had a whole host of standards ( I played varsity football all 4 years).. C average, short hair, shaved, dressed nicely every day at school, .. and of course, you had to have talent to stay on the team.
the roster had a set number ... I can't remember the number, but we'll call it 40... and if you were number 41 after tryouts, you were cut.
 
Cephus said:
A bloodsucking one. I was recently part of a lawsuit at work and I ended up hearing the prosecution lawyers talking privately. They flat out said they didn't give a damn about their clients, they didn't care if they won or lost, they were just there for the money and they were getting paid regardless. Sounds like a pretty typical lawyer to me.
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I am a lawyer, and I can tell you that we have ethical obligations that frequently prevent us from taking cases that we know have no validity whatsoever. People have really bad impressions about lawyers, and this sort of bull**** is exactly why. However, there are also organizations that sanction lawyers for bringing bad claims. What I'm saying is that whoever took this case is risking his career. Even from an entirely self serving standpoint, that's a bad risk.
 
Aderleth said:
I am a lawyer, and I can tell you that we have ethical obligations that frequently prevent us from taking cases that we know have no validity whatsoever. People have really bad impressions about lawyers, and this sort of bull**** is exactly why. However, there are also organizations that sanction lawyers for bringing bad claims. What I'm saying is that whoever took this case is risking his career. Even from an entirely self serving standpoint, that's a bad risk.
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Any lawyer that would take a case like this does give the rest a bad name, yes.

I have read that many criminal defense lawyers specifically do NOT even want to know if their client is guilty or not guilty, because if their client confesses to them then they have ethical considerations to consider.
 
radcen said:
I have read that many criminal defense lawyers specifically do NOT even want to know if their client is guilty or not guilty, because if their client confesses to them then they have ethical considerations to consider.
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That's true. I've been there myself. Knowing that your criminal client is guilty limits the sorts of defenses you can mount. That's why it's so tricky to talk to them. You can't argue something you know to be false. To be clear, that issue is related to (even analogous to), but somewhat different from what I'm getting at. In a civil context, you can't bring a claim you know to be invalid. Obviously that's sometimes hard to determine, but it's a crappy risk for an attorney to take, and no one who's any good would do so.

As I said before, lawyers have really crappy reputations. Sometimes this is deserved, for a variety of reasons. But the irony is that we're actually universally held to higher ethical standards than pretty much everyone else (and for good reasons). I had to go through almost a year-long process of background checks just to get admitted to the California bar. They interviewed friends, family, former employers, former landlords, etc, to figure out whether or not I was a stand up guy. I would imagine the situation is the same in most if not all states. What I had to deal with was probably less stringent and invasive than what I imagine prospective FBI/CIA agents have to deal with, but it's not far off.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I was on varsity in four sports... two as a freshman. I was cut from one my junior year when I slacked and made it back senior year. Point is... I never thought of complaining much less sueing...
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That's because you held yourself accountable. Props to you on that.
 
Cephus said:
A bloodsucking one. I was recently part of a lawsuit at work and I ended up hearing the prosecution lawyers talking privately. They flat out said they didn't give a damn about their clients, they didn't care if they won or lost, they were just there for the money and they were getting paid regardless. Sounds like a pretty typical lawyer to me.
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More proof that if people aren't paid to go to college, they turn into Greedheads trying to make up for a depressing and deprived youth. That's seven years of indentured servitude in order to become a lawyer. This system turns out monsters, but nobody questions it, no matter how much evidence there is of its malignant and self-destructive results.
 
Thrilla said:
athletics are extracurricular activities...
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They should be totally separated from the schools, just like the Little League is. College sports should be replaced by minor leagues. This whole association of learning with extracurriculars is an insult to intelligence.
 
The American Dream

1912- work hard earn what you can and give your children greater opportunities than you had.

2012- find someone you can bring a lawsuit against, screw working, and provide all children with a crappy education system because you are unwilling to accept that your kid just doesn't measure up.
 
radcen said:
Ark. mother sues district, state for constitutional violation after son cut from varsity team

Ark. mother sues district, state for constitutional violation after son cut from varsity team | Prep Rally - Yahoo! Sports
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Is anyone actually reading the article? The real issue here seems to be that football players were given precedence for arbitrary reasons, non-meritocratic in nature. The argument about constitutional violations is a weird way of approaching the issue, as it should be handled at a more local level, but there appears to be some kind of wrongdoing.
 
PrometheusBound said:
They should be totally separated from the schools, just like the Little League is. College sports should be replaced by minor leagues. This whole association of learning with extracurriculars is an insult to intelligence.
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There's a social benefit to incorporating athletics into the schooling experience; namely, students who take part in sports and arts tend to perform better and display better discipline than students who don't. Kind of makes your last sentence look a little silly.
 
Thrilla said:
athletics are extracurricular activities...
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Sports do not equate to academics. You will not explain to me various sciences, mathematics, historical events, and psychological and philosophical points from your experience kicking a ball. Iirc, there are also "extracurricular" classes in some colleges such as studying "zombie survival," the "science of Harry Potter/Star Trek," etc.
 
tessaesque said:
There's a social benefit to incorporating athletics into the schooling experience; namely, students who take part in sports and arts tend to perform better and display better discipline than students who don't. Kind of makes your last sentence look a little silly.
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Now you've done it. You have just made an enemy of the Liberals by even thinking, much less mentioning Discipline for children. You even went so far as to suggest the someone can and will perform something better than someone else. How utterly evil it is of you to promote someone accomplishing anything instead of blending in with the crowd.

Next thing you know, you will be suggesting that people have a right to keep what they earn instead of handing it over to the "less fortunate".

I am aware that most people will have enough intelligence to see the sarcasim here, however, for the Liberals, it is sarcasm.
 
DVSentinel said:
Now you've done it. You have just made an enemy of the Liberals by even thinking, much less mentioning Discipline for children. You even went so far as to suggest the someone can and will perform something better than someone else. How utterly evil it is of you to promote someone accomplishing anything instead of blending in with the crowd.

Next thing you know, you will be suggesting that people have a right to keep what they earn instead of handing it over to the "less fortunate".

I am aware that most people will have enough intelligence to see the sarcasim here, however, for the Liberals, it is sarcasm.
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Since when did afterschool sports became a liberal vs. everyone else issue again?
 
PrometheusBound said:
They should be totally separated from the schools, just like the Little League is. College sports should be replaced by minor leagues. This whole association of learning with extracurriculars is an insult to intelligence.
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I disagree. I think sports are great for encouraging, and teaching a healthy active lifestyle, teamwork, and sportsmanship. Should the high emphasis some schools place on athletics be drastically reduced? Absolutely, but not cut.
 
tessaesque said:
There's a social benefit to incorporating athletics into the schooling experience; namely, students who take part in sports and arts tend to perform better and display better discipline than students who don't. Kind of makes your last sentence look a little silly.
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A self-serving survey. If they get better grades, it's probably grade inflation by teachers who are fans. Let them pursue these non-educational experiences on their own time, just like religion, dating, jogging, etc. Our failing schools must be analyzed without giving the benefit of the doubt to any traditional activity.
 
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