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    Re: "Liking" Something on Facebook Not Protected by First Amendment

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    It's the same. If they don't have a contract, they can get booted at any time.
    Don't they have a contract? Aren't they civil service (which implies they do have a contract)?
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    Re: "Liking" Something on Facebook Not Protected by First Amendment

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    Don't they have a contract? Aren't they civil service (which implies they do have a contract)?
    If they're cops, most likely, but "paper pushers" like clerks, and the like, usually aren't. That's how it is here in Texas, anyway. I really don't see a point in giving temps and clerks a contract, to be honest.
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    Re: "Liking" Something on Facebook Not Protected by First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    If they're cops, most likely, but "paper pushers" like clerks, and the like, usually aren't. That's how it is here in Texas, anyway. I really don't see a point in giving temps and clerks a contract, to be honest.
    Actually, they usually are also covered by SS, though I don't know what it is in this specific case.

    And the point is to prevent politicians from giving those jobs based on politics. It's called patronage, and most people agree that it's unfair and undemocratic in a meritocracy
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    Re: "Liking" Something on Facebook Not Protected by First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, they usually are also covered by SS, though I don't know what it is in this specific case.

    And the point is to prevent politicians from giving those jobs based on politics. It's called patronage, and most people agree that it's unfair and undemocratic in a meritocracy
    You miss the point of the 1st amendment entirely. ANY boss may fire those that they feel are not helping "get the job done" as much as some random, unknown replacement worker may. A gov't job, like a private job, need not (and should not) be a "job for life". You work at the pleasure of the boss. You certainly have no right to try to elect a new boss (fire him?) that he does not have to replace you. It is insane to assert that employees that don't like the boss, especially when that can be easily proven, are as likely to cooperate and work as hard as they can to please that boss. Note the massive turnover in the federal SES workforce after each election, especially when the party in power changes. You have the right ro say anything you want to, but no right to expect no consequences from that speach. Had the sheriff arrested, or otherwise harrassed them, then THAT would be a free speach issue, but not merely firing them becuase he did not like them, their work habits or their "likes".
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    Re: "Liking" Something on Facebook Not Protected by First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, they usually are also covered by SS, though I don't know what it is in this specific case.
    I don't either. If they had a contract, I don't think they'd be suing on the basis of First Amendment rights.

    And the point is to prevent politicians from giving those jobs based on politics. It's called patronage, and most people agree that it's unfair and undemocratic in a meritocracy
    That's a topic for another discussion. One I generally agree with.
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    Re: "Liking" Something on Facebook Not Protected by First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You miss the point of the 1st amendment entirely. ANY boss may fire those that they feel are not helping "get the job done" as much as some random, unknown replacement worker may. A gov't job, like a private job, need not (and should not) be a "job for life". You work at the pleasure of the boss. You certainly have no right to try to elect a new boss (fire him?) that he does not have to replace you. It is insane to assert that employees that don't like the boss, especially when that can be easily proven, are as likely to cooperate and work as hard as they can to please that boss. Note the massive turnover in the federal SES workforce after each election, especially when the party in power changes. You have the right ro say anything you want to, but no right to expect no consequences from that speach. Had the sheriff arrested, or otherwise harrassed them, then THAT would be a free speach issue, but not merely firing them becuase he did not like them, their work habits or their "likes".

    That's not true

    Many employees (including most govt employees) are hired under a contract which prohibits their being fired without cause
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