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    Re: Osama Bin Laden Raid Wasn't Based On CIA Torture Interrogations, Senators Say

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    You mean other than Osamas dirt nap?
    Actually it's his long bath, but I get your point.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden Raid Wasn't Based On CIA Torture Interrogations, Senators Say

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    wii bit convening.
    A "wii" bit . . . "convening"?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden Raid Wasn't Based On CIA Torture Interrogations, Senators Say

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    despite hanging the Japanese for waterboarding captured U.S. troop during World War II.
    Ugh. This simply did not happen. Everyone who was executed was executed for a stack of heinous crimes, well above and beyond "waterboarding."
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden Raid Wasn't Based On CIA Torture Interrogations, Senators Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ugh. This simply did not happen. Everyone who was executed was executed for a stack of heinous crimes, well above and beyond "waterboarding."
    You are a true "believer."

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden Raid Wasn't Based On CIA Torture Interrogations, Senators Say

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Hmm i knew this has been said before but a 500 and something damn report... Sounds a wii bit convening. Interesting to see what comes from this..

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    Of course not. What does torture get you? People willing to say anything, including giving false information, to get the torture to stop. So it is very possible that, based on information gotten from torturing suspects, Bush was looking for bin Laden in Antarctica..... Or maybe even Mars..... Didn't we send some probes there? LOL.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden Raid Wasn't Based On CIA Torture Interrogations, Senators Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ugh. This simply did not happen. Everyone who was executed was executed for a stack of heinous crimes, well above and beyond "waterboarding."
    ... following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding."
    John McCain on Thursday, November 29th, 2007 in a campaign event in St. Petersburg

    History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding




    The morning after the CNN/YouTube debate in St. Petersburg, John McCain remained firm in his stand against the use of an interrogation technique called "waterboarding." He cited solid history to buttress his position.

    "I forgot to mention last night that following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding," he told reporters at a campaign event.

    "If the United States is in another conflict ... and we have allowed that kind of torture to be inflicted upon people we hold captive, then there is nothing to prevent that enemy from also torturing American prisoners."

    McCain is referencing the Tokyo Trials, officially known as the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. After World War II, an international coalition convened to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture. At the top of the list of techniques was water-based interrogation, known variously then as "water cure," "water torture" and "waterboarding," according to the charging documents. It simulates drowning.

    R. John Pritchard, a historian and lawyer who is a top scholar on the trials, said the Japanese felt the ends justified the means. "The rapid and effective collection of intelligence then, as now, was seen as vital to a successful struggle, and in addition, those who were engaged in torture often felt that whatever pain and anguish was suffered by the victims of torture was nothing less than the just deserts of the victims or people close to them," he said.

    In a recent journal essay, Judge Evan Wallach, a member of the U.S. Court of International Trade and an adjunct professor in the law of war, writes that the testimony from American soldiers about this form of torture was gruesome and convincing. A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps.

    We find McCain's retelling of history to be accurate, so we give him a True.
    PolitiFact | History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden Raid Wasn't Based On CIA Torture Interrogations, Senators Say

    The idea that interrogations led to Osama raid is Neo-Con revisionist history.

    I think it was Cheney or a Bush advisor that claimed the Arab spring was due to the Iraqi invasion.

    In their eyes they can do no wrong and are constantly on the look out to validate their decisions by any means necessary. Even blatant lying.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden Raid Wasn't Based On CIA Torture Interrogations, Senators Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yeah, the guy that destroyed the evidence....he doesn't have much to back anything he says, does he?
    Neither apparently does the FBI, Dianne Feinstein or Carl Levin. I didn't read any facts stating otherwise.

    "Had we handled some of these sources from the beginning, I would like to think that there’s a good chance that we would have gotten this information or other information," said Steven Kleinman, a longtime military intelligence officer who has extensively researched, practiced and taught interrogation techniques.
    Torture May Have Slowed Hunt For Bin Laden, Not Hastened It

    So this is Feinstein's and Levin's hard evidence?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden Raid Wasn't Based On CIA Torture Interrogations, Senators Say

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The idea that interrogations led to Osama raid is Neo-Con revisionist history.

    I think it was Cheney or a Bush advisor that claimed the Arab spring was due to the Iraqi invasion.

    In their eyes they can do no wrong and are constantly on the look out to validate their decisions by any means necessary. Even blatant lying.
    well sure... everybody shoots for validation in the political world.

    but it's not revisionist history to say the Khalid Shiek Mohammed gave up information on the courier after waterboarding... that's just plain old fact.

    it doesn't mean that they couldn't have gotten their hands on that information in other ways, though... it just saying it is what it is.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden Raid Wasn't Based On CIA Torture Interrogations, Senators Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Sure, go ahead and believe Liberals Feinstein and Levin instead of the former head of CIA clandestine services, Jose Rodriguez.

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    To me it doesn't matter very much how the CIA obtained the lead that ultimately led to OBL's death.

    Feinstein and Levin are only bringing this matter up again because they want to ensure the public understands that EIT, though successful in revealing needed intel, didn't provide a concrete positive ID of the courier. It's samantics really.

    "Oh, the EITs used by the GWBush Admin (which go against the Geneva Convention) really didn't yeild "direct" intel that led to OBL's secret compound. It wasn't until intelligence officials from the Obama Admin began combing through classified reports, testimony, etc., did we ping on the fact that OBL was using a courier to smuggle info/videos to and from his compound. Once "WE" were able to identify the courier, we were able to find OBL and kill him."

    Again, samantics...

    I really don't care whether the courier was identified by name or if it was learned early on that OBL used multiple couriers or sent info/video by courier pigeon. Bottom line is the World's #1 terrorist is now fish food....unless you believe the story that some fisherman hooked his body on some deepwater fishing expedition.

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