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Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

You apparently don't know how they do it either. Yet you assume that they just claim some number and that no one else in the entire world figures that stuff out also. Perhaps you can explain how the Guttmacher Institute came up with their numbers in the following link?

USA Today

First, I have no problem with PP's famliy planning. What I have a problem with is abortion. Second, you'll notice that it does not explain how they substantiate the claim that they are responsible for preventing the pregnancies.
 
I am not the one choosing to make it a Con/Lib argument, the Courts and the Fed are. Since the subject is part of the state budget, then economics come into play.
Given there are undisputed economic implications involved in this discussion there is no reason to play out the Lib/Con economics by comparing Texas to another state. If you're going to do that then ALL states should come into play - and the Red States loose. They suck up more Fed money per dollar paid into the Fed than the Blue States do. I don't think that changes too much regardless of who's in power. You're talking about a LOT of programs, installations, institutions, etc, etc, that are involved, not something that can be turned off and on. Naval bases don't move very often. Farm subsidies don't change much. Populations, which account for most of the money going both directions, are what they are as are average incomes.

BTW, nice link, but do you have anything after that date. Comparing current status to 2005 is probably going to see huge changes as in 2005, we still had a Republican President and a Republican Congress and before the economic downturn. This data is just too old to apply to 2012.
There was one, not the same site, that someone linked in another thread but I couldn't find it. I think it was for 2010, which might be the most recent available. Seems like it was part of a news article but I can't remember which magazine or whatever.
 
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There was one, not the same site, that someone linked in another thread but I couldn't find it. I think it was for 2010, which might be the most recent available.

Is Your State A Net Giver or Taker of Federal Taxes? | The Big Picture source data says 2010, haven't found anything newer, but you will note that California got back $1.09 for every dollar it paid in while Texas got back $0.91. While statement was true based upon 2005 data, it is false based upon 2010 data.
 
I have done so, many times over several years. They've never substantiated that claim.
Planned Parenthood Federation of America
434 West 33rd Street
New York, NY 10001
 
The fed funds the Texas Women's Health Fund to the tune of $29.3M, Texas contributes $3.3M. Texas is wrong in how it is excluding those PP clinics from the funding since they do not provide abortion services.

Several articles have pointed out that the Feds defunded the Texas Women's Health Fund when Texas adopted this law. If the Feds want to fund these clinics directly, then let them, but the state should not be forced to do it. The clinics in question were defunded because they are associated with an organization that does abortions. Frankly some good may come out of this if the final decision at SCOTUS allows Texas to seperate the two fundings, it would remove a lot of Federal Power to make states comply with it's wishes if we force it to directly fund instead of passing funds through the state and mandating that a state also provide funds for it.

Since I do not support any Public funding, state or federal, to any organization that does abortions, I of course disagree with your point. If PP wants funding, drop abortion, otherwise, piss off.
 
Is Your State A Net Giver or Taker of Federal Taxes? | The Big Picture source data says 2010, haven't found anything newer, but you will note that California got back $1.09 for every dollar it paid in while Texas got back $0.91. While statement was true based upon 2005 data, it is false based upon 2010 data.
It doesn't really list the source material to any good reference. This was the source listed for your link.
The Map That Proves Red Staters Use The Safety Net Too | TPMDC
(The map says BEA/IRS data but ...?)

That article also links this one:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/u...asingly-depend-on-it.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

But I won't argue that some states are prospering in these economic times while others are not. I'm not sure that's indicative of overall economic health, though. Did you also look at past state performance? The first link goes back to 1981.
The Tax Foundation - Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State, 1981-2005
 
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Nope. I also know that there is no way to know if a pregnancy was specifically prevented by a contraceptive or if it simply did not occur to begin with.
Um, there are lots of studies showing the efficacy of contraception.

If you understand that they do work, that that is the major BC method prescribed by PP, and that the issue isn't abortion in this debate....I just don't get where you are going.
 
Several articles have pointed out that the Feds defunded the Texas Women's Health Fund when Texas adopted this law. If the Feds want to fund these clinics directly, then let them, but the state should not be forced to do it. The clinics in question were defunded because they are associated with an organization that does abortions. Frankly some good may come out of this if the final decision at SCOTUS allows Texas to seperate the two fundings, it would remove a lot of Federal Power to make states comply with it's wishes if we force it to directly fund instead of passing funds through the state and mandating that a state also provide funds for it.

Since I do not support any Public funding, state or federal, to any organization that does abortions, I of course disagree with your point. If PP wants funding, drop abortion, otherwise, piss off.
It is precisely this fundamentalist attitude that is cutting your own throat, you are working against your own self interests. The funding was going to all providers of HC for women, PP non abortion clinics included. This tyrannical puritan ideology is not held by the majority in your state, you guys would rather have no health services for women rather than fed funding that doesn't go to abortions. Where in your budget are you going to make up the $20 million difference?

Senseless.
 
Um, there are lots of studies showing the efficacy of contraception.

If you understand that they do work, that that is the major BC method prescribed by PP, and that the issue isn't abortion in this debate....I just don't get where you are going.

There is no question about whether they work or not. The problem is that PP claims to have prevented half a million unintended pregnancies annually. How does one prove that an actual pregnancy would have occured in any particular instance of unprotected sex unless an actual pregnancy results? Is it your opinion that a pregnancy will result 100% of the time from unprotected sex? If so, you don't understand human biology. The point is that PP is making an unsubstantiated claim.
 
I've been there. In person, actually. Have you?
Wouldn't want to, thanks. I thought Chicago was crowded forty years ago - no way I'm ever going to NYC.
 
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It is precisely this fundamentalist attitude that is cutting your own throat, you are working against your own self interests. The funding was going to all providers of HC for women, PP non abortion clinics included. This tyrannical puritan ideology is not held by the majority in your state, you guys would rather have no health services for women rather than fed funding that doesn't go to abortions. Where in your budget are you going to make up the $20 million difference?

Senseless.

The majority of "health services" provided are screenings. Services that can easily be provided elsewhere. What medical "treatment" does PP provide?
 
First, I have no problem with PP's famliy planning. What I have a problem with is abortion.
Then you'll be glad to know the eight clinics bringing suit against Texas don't do abortions.

In fact, if I understand the problem correctly, that's the whole issue.
 
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First, I have no problem with PP's famliy planning. What I have a problem with is abortion. Second, you'll notice that it does not explain how they substantiate the claim that they are responsible for preventing the pregnancies.

That article doesn't you're right. But they were suppose to have shown the study that the did.

But it does show that it is not just PP that comes out with such numbers. So obviously there is a generalized system of being able to do so. Which also means that if those numbers were not correct then someone, somewhere would have piped up about it by now and shown how those numbers are wrong. Just because we don't know thier methods does not mean others do not.
 
There is no question about whether they work or not. The problem is that PP claims to have prevented half a million unintended pregnancies annually. How does one prove that an actual pregnancy would have occured in any particular instance of unprotected sex unless an actual pregnancy results? Is it your opinion that a pregnancy will result 100% of the time from unprotected sex? If so, you don't understand human biology. The point is that PP is making an unsubstantiated claim.

Unsubstantiated to you and me. That does not mean that others have not substantiated it.
 
There is no question about whether they work or not. The problem is that PP claims to have prevented half a million unintended pregnancies annually. How does one prove that an actual pregnancy would have occured in any particular instance of unprotected sex unless an actual pregnancy results? Is it your opinion that a pregnancy will result 100% of the time from unprotected sex? If so, you don't understand human biology. The point is that PP is making an unsubstantiated claim.
Oh...that is the problem as it relates to Texas. The legislature is concerned about the use of condoms....oh no....that isn't it at all....it's just you wanting to get into another pointless debate about goal posts. Been there, done that.
 
The majority of "health services" provided are screenings. Services that can easily be provided elsewhere. What medical "treatment" does PP provide?
Hey big guy...."you have been there"....you tell us.

Oh wait....we just got done going over all of the services PP provides.......didn't we? Funny...I thought we did?


Don't you have any other point other than a counter point already covered that isn't totally pointless?
 
That article doesn't you're right. But they were suppose to have shown the study that the did.

But it does show that it is not just PP that comes out with such numbers. So obviously there is a generalized system of being able to do so. Which also means that if those numbers were not correct then someone, somewhere would have piped up about it by now and shown how those numbers are wrong. Just because we don't know thier methods does not mean others do not.

Guttmacher is planned parenthood...no matter how they try to show that they've distanced themselves.
 
Hey big guy...."you have been there"....you tell us.

Oh wait....we just got done going over all of the services PP provides.......didn't we? Funny...I thought we did?


Don't you have any other point other than a counter point already covered that isn't totally pointless?

Which is why I asked....what "treatments" do they provide, big guy?
 
Oh...that is the problem as it relates to Texas. The legislature is concerned about the use of condoms....oh no....that isn't it at all....it's just you wanting to get into another pointless debate about goal posts. Been there, done that.

From what I understand, the major conservative opposition to Planned Parenthood stems from the fact that they are the largest single abortion provider in the US. I have not heard a credible conservative source proclaim their opposition stemmed from birth control.
 
Then you'll be glad to know the eight clinics bringing suit against Texas don't do abortions.

In fact, if I understand the problem correctly, that's the whole issue.

Then it is obviously simply the affiliation to PP clinics that do that must be the issue.
 
Then it is obviously simply the affiliation to PP clinics that do that must be the issue.
Yes, Texas seems to bias their government aide based on association. Does the world McCarthy ring a bell? I bet ya'all just loved him, too.
 
Guttmacher is planned parenthood...no matter how they try to show that they've distanced themselves.

Yes, it is. Doesn't mean, however, that its stats are unreliable.

And no matter what percentages are offered about PP, it is a significant purveyor of abortions-on-demand.
 
Guess nobody is going to touch on the subject on how exactly banning PP is unconstitutional, as stated by the judge.
 
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