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Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

nota bene said:
I've vaguely heard that somewhere.
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.. i figured you would have :lol:

PP is in the business of preventing babies....they don't really give a **** once the woman is pregnant and decides to keep the child.( most PP clinics don't provide prenatal care...and the few that do have only been in that business for a couple of years)
 
Thrilla said:
which is their choice, certainly.

....not sure the state should be forced to fund them though.
if that's going to be the case, i'm going to look for a business to set up to hold Texans hostage to being my customers.... which seem to be a trend in this country.
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Sorry, it's not about that.
It's about a State government trying to dodge a Supreme Court ruling they don't like.
If you or any other citizen wants to take your business somewhere besides Planned Parenthood that's your choice.
Government is not allowed to discriminate - and those laws protect all businesses, not just this one business this one time.
 
winston53660 said:
What in the world are you talking about? Please link.
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In 2009, 97.6% of women who were pregnant and who went to Planned Parenthood got an abortion. That makes a total of 12% of the people who came into contact with them getting abortions. However, each of those did not only get an abortion. Each of them, as part of the regular abortive procedure, for example, also got a set of pamphlets (1 service: counseling) an STD check (1 service: medical) and a packet of condoms on their way out the door (1 service: preventative). So you count each of the 4 parts of the abortion visit as a separate procedure, and right away your 12% (assuming you count everyone who you see/talkto and give a pamphlet/condom to as having received a service) drops to 3%. Revenues from abortions, meanwhile, count for a little over a third of PP's income. That year they ran a profit of about $63 Million - abortions were their most highest profit margin portion of operations.
 
cpwill said:
In 2009, 97.6% of women who were pregnant and who went to Planned Parenthood got an abortion.
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So let's see, this report says that 88% of women who go to PP DO NOT get abortions. And you want to defund them because of that? That's insane.
 
not necessarily. it says that 88% of people whom PP claims to have provided a service to do not get abortions - but that 97.6% of people who go to PP because they think they might be pregnant (and are correct) do get abortions.

PP knows full well the impact of it's numbers, and so it counts everything it does as providing an individual service. If you have gotten free condoms at school congratulations - you are in those numbers as a PP patient.
 
cpwill said:
In 2009, 97.6% of women who were pregnant and who went to Planned Parenthood got an abortion. That makes a total of 12% of the people who came into contact with them getting abortions.
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So 88% didn't get abortions. I would call that a pretty darn good.
 
cpwill said:
not necessarily. it says that 88% of people whom PP claims to have provided a service to do not get abortions - but that 97.6% of people who go to PP because they think they might be pregnant (and are correct) do get abortions.

PP knows full well the impact of it's numbers, and so it counts everything it does as providing an individual service. If you have gotten free condoms at school congratulations - you are in those numbers as a PP patient.
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You gave a link to the National Review I'd like to the the actual report. And I'm looking for it.
 
cpwill said:
not necessarily. it says that 88% of people whom PP claims to have provided a service to do not get abortions - but that 97.6% of people who go to PP because they think they might be pregnant (and are correct) do get abortions.

PP knows full well the impact of it's numbers, and so it counts everything it does as providing an individual service. If you have gotten free condoms at school congratulations - you are in those numbers as a PP patient.
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Even if it were true, how is that a bad thing?
 
winston53660 said:
You gave a link to the National Review I'd like to the the actual report. And I'm looking for it.
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Yeah, there is that. Love those right wing looney fish wraps.
 
cpwill said:
PP knows full well the impact of it's numbers, and so it counts everything it does as providing an individual service. If you have gotten free condoms at school congratulations - you are in those numbers as a PP patient.
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err so?

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cpwill said:
that's not really fully accurate. Even if a patient goes in and only goes in for the abortion, they count every singe part of the routine as a "separate procedure" so as to lower that percentage..
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Legitimate source, please. Every major news organization, including major newspapers, that have investigated PP services have all concluded with the same percentage. It has been consistently and reliably confirmed. This is just a wiki, but it provides sources: Planned Parenthood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You don't have to like PP, but trying to shuffle percentages around on the fly to bolster your case isn't helpful.
 
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DiAnna said:
Legitimate source, please. Every major news organization, including major newspapers, that have investigated PP services have all concluded with the same percentage. It has been consistently and reliably confirmed. This is just a wiki, but it provides sources: Planned Parenthood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You don't have to like PP, but trying to shuffle percentages around on the fly to bolster your case isn't helpful.
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This is the same guy who claimed that a retired Navy Seal who happened to be a republican senator from Montana who was raging on Obama represented the entire Seal Community. He has a problem with fudging the facts.
 
winston53660 said:
I wonder if our new system in Texas is going to include things like prenatal care, housing, baby formula like PP has done in the past.
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S.N.A.P., H.E.A.P., WIC, Title-19 insurance, Section-8 housing, T.A.N.I.F. ...........not counting the state enforcing child support at no cost to the mother.....there are several programs in place to pay the bills.
 
winston53660 said:
If you think judges are illiterate fine. Wallow in that pool.
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I could care less about the judge. You were taking teh internetz seriously for a moment, so I thought I'de give you a reality check as a public service. Even if someone claimed to have qualifications on this forum, the forum rules prevent them from giving you enough information to verify, so it's stupid to even ask.

You're welcome.
 
Jerry said:
I could care less about the judge. You were taking teh internetz seriously for a moment, so I thought I'de give you a reality check as a public service. Even if someone claimed to have qualifications on this forum, the forum rules prevent them from giving you enough information to verify, so it's stupid to even ask.

You're welcome.
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Thanks but no thanks :roll:
 
winston53660 said:
Literacy and enough to know that judges are literate.
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Well, I mean, if you can't read a plain English document and you think that other people can when they demonstrably can't, then no, you don't have qualifications.
 
Abortion is not my issue, But this issue is about how Texas spends money to help poor women.
"The program spends about $35 million a year to provide cancer, diabetes, cholesterol screenings
and contraception to about 130,000 low-income, uninsured women."
I think the program has a nuclear option.
This judge is willing take away all of the other services offered in this program, because Texas
thinks abortions should be paid for by the individual.
 
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