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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

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    Yes, I'm sure many of McCarthy's targets were told basically the same thing.
    "Just quit associating with this <guy/girl/group> and we'll quit questioning and hounding you."

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    You're still stretching. The comparison is only superficially valid. These affiliates receive funds from the PP organization, they are not just "pro-PP"
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

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    You're still stretching. The comparison is only superficially valid. These affiliates receive funds from the PP organization, they are not just "pro-PP"
    I'm not stretching anything, it's Texas that's stretching. Why the hell should Texas care where the other funds are coming from as long as it's not an illegal source? The only answer is "guilt by association".
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

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    I'm not stretching anything, it's Texas that's stretching. Why the hell should Texas care where the other funds are coming from as long as it's not an illegal source? The only answer is "guilt by association".
    It is stretching...you're comparing ideological association with financial association.
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

    What's to stop Texas from initiating a "USA First" bill where no state funding is allowed to go to foreign owned companies?
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

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    It is stretching...you're comparing ideological association with financial association.
    No, Texas is doing that.
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

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    No, Texas is doing that.
    No, there is a financial association between these clinics and planned parenthood.
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

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    No, there is a financial association between these clinics and planned parenthood.
    And there is an idealistic intent in the new Texas law that denies funding.


    But regardless of that, why should Texas care where the money comes from if it's not an illegal source? The clinics themselves aren't breaking any laws and PP isn't breaking any laws.

    Texas has given itself the right to deny funding to abortion clinics, but these clinics aren't abortion clinics, they just get some of their funding from the same place that some abortion clinics get funding. That's obviously guilt by association.
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    What's to stop Texas from initiating a "USA First" bill where no state funding is allowed to go to foreign owned companies?
    That kind of law already exists, both at the Federal and State level. The government is only allowed to use products and services from Foreign sources if there are no American products or services available.

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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    That kind of law already exists, both at the Federal and State level. The government is only allowed to use products and services from Foreign sources if there are no American products or services available.
    Then we should not allow funding to Catholic hospitals since the Pope et al is obviously foreign.


    I wonder how many more "guilt by association" ties we can conjure up using that rule?
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And there is an idealistic intent in the new Texas law that denies funding.


    But regardless of that, why should Texas care where the money comes from if it's not an illegal source? The clinics themselves aren't breaking any laws and PP isn't breaking any laws.

    Texas has given itself the right to deny funding to abortion clinics, but these clinics aren't abortion clinics, they just get some of their funding from the same place that some abortion clinics get funding. That's obviously guilt by association.
    Texas doesn't concern it's self with where other money comes from, only where it's money goes. The government of Texas has simply said it will not use it's funds to pay for organisations that perform abortions or organisations associated with another organisation that provides abortions. It's our (I'm a Texan) money, we can spend however we damned well please.

    One part of the whole argument about this mess that is ignored is whether or not it is the governments responsibility to even provide healthcare services. IMO, all healthcare is a personal responsibility, not a governmental one. Nowhere in the Federal or State constitutions is there any clause that says the government has to provide any goods or service to those who do not earn it for themselves. Healthcare is a service, not a Right.

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