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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Is Your State A Net Giver or Taker of Federal Taxes? | The Big Picture source data says 2010, haven't found anything newer, but you will note that California got back $1.09 for every dollar it paid in while Texas got back $0.91. While statement was true based upon 2005 data, it is false based upon 2010 data.
    It doesn't really list the source material to any good reference. This was the source listed for your link.
    The Map That Proves Red Staters Use The Safety Net Too | TPMDC
    (The map says BEA/IRS data but ...?)

    That article also links this one:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us...pagewanted=all

    But I won't argue that some states are prospering in these economic times while others are not. I'm not sure that's indicative of overall economic health, though. Did you also look at past state performance? The first link goes back to 1981.
    The Tax Foundation - Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State, 1981-2005
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

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    Nope. I also know that there is no way to know if a pregnancy was specifically prevented by a contraceptive or if it simply did not occur to begin with.
    Um, there are lots of studies showing the efficacy of contraception.

    If you understand that they do work, that that is the major BC method prescribed by PP, and that the issue isn't abortion in this debate....I just don't get where you are going.
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Several articles have pointed out that the Feds defunded the Texas Women's Health Fund when Texas adopted this law. If the Feds want to fund these clinics directly, then let them, but the state should not be forced to do it. The clinics in question were defunded because they are associated with an organization that does abortions. Frankly some good may come out of this if the final decision at SCOTUS allows Texas to seperate the two fundings, it would remove a lot of Federal Power to make states comply with it's wishes if we force it to directly fund instead of passing funds through the state and mandating that a state also provide funds for it.

    Since I do not support any Public funding, state or federal, to any organization that does abortions, I of course disagree with your point. If PP wants funding, drop abortion, otherwise, piss off.
    It is precisely this fundamentalist attitude that is cutting your own throat, you are working against your own self interests. The funding was going to all providers of HC for women, PP non abortion clinics included. This tyrannical puritan ideology is not held by the majority in your state, you guys would rather have no health services for women rather than fed funding that doesn't go to abortions. Where in your budget are you going to make up the $20 million difference?

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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

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    Um, there are lots of studies showing the efficacy of contraception.

    If you understand that they do work, that that is the major BC method prescribed by PP, and that the issue isn't abortion in this debate....I just don't get where you are going.
    There is no question about whether they work or not. The problem is that PP claims to have prevented half a million unintended pregnancies annually. How does one prove that an actual pregnancy would have occured in any particular instance of unprotected sex unless an actual pregnancy results? Is it your opinion that a pregnancy will result 100% of the time from unprotected sex? If so, you don't understand human biology. The point is that PP is making an unsubstantiated claim.
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

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    I've been there. In person, actually. Have you?
    Wouldn't want to, thanks. I thought Chicago was crowded forty years ago - no way I'm ever going to NYC.
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It is precisely this fundamentalist attitude that is cutting your own throat, you are working against your own self interests. The funding was going to all providers of HC for women, PP non abortion clinics included. This tyrannical puritan ideology is not held by the majority in your state, you guys would rather have no health services for women rather than fed funding that doesn't go to abortions. Where in your budget are you going to make up the $20 million difference?

    Senseless.
    The majority of "health services" provided are screenings. Services that can easily be provided elsewhere. What medical "treatment" does PP provide?
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    First, I have no problem with PP's famliy planning. What I have a problem with is abortion.
    Then you'll be glad to know the eight clinics bringing suit against Texas don't do abortions.

    In fact, if I understand the problem correctly, that's the whole issue.
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    First, I have no problem with PP's famliy planning. What I have a problem with is abortion. Second, you'll notice that it does not explain how they substantiate the claim that they are responsible for preventing the pregnancies.
    That article doesn't you're right. But they were suppose to have shown the study that the did.

    But it does show that it is not just PP that comes out with such numbers. So obviously there is a generalized system of being able to do so. Which also means that if those numbers were not correct then someone, somewhere would have piped up about it by now and shown how those numbers are wrong. Just because we don't know thier methods does not mean others do not.
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    Re: Judge says Texas can't ban Planned Parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There is no question about whether they work or not. The problem is that PP claims to have prevented half a million unintended pregnancies annually. How does one prove that an actual pregnancy would have occured in any particular instance of unprotected sex unless an actual pregnancy results? Is it your opinion that a pregnancy will result 100% of the time from unprotected sex? If so, you don't understand human biology. The point is that PP is making an unsubstantiated claim.
    Unsubstantiated to you and me. That does not mean that others have not substantiated it.
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