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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Actually, this is about to get interesting. When you cross reference the Declaration of Independence, we have precedence for life to begin at creation, not birth. With that twist, the SCOTUS may overturn all of their previous decisions based on that fact. I wouldn't count on it, but it is possible.
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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Part it conflicts with is the Supreme Court ruling in PPvC is the fertilized egg has already been declared not a person. Amending our State Constitution to declare a two cell blob a person would be defacto prohibition of abortions as the doctor and woman could be charged with murder. Our State Supreme Court says that you can't amend a state Constitution to prohibit abortions, even if the law doesn't directly say so.

    I hope you noted the Republican House leadership in my state has decided to not bring a bill forward to do the personhood thing. What was struck down was a ballot measure, so it is two separate tracks to the same goal. Backdoor eliminating abortions. Similar ballot measures in Mississippi and Colorado to amend their Constitution failed.
    Wrong, SCOTUS has avoided personhood decisions, as has SCOK.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Actually, this is about to get interesting. When you cross reference the Declaration of Independence, we have precedence for life to begin at creation, not birth. With that twist, the SCOTUS may overturn all of their previous decisions based on that fact. I wouldn't count on it, but it is possible.
    No, they won't do that, they don't have to address the personhood issue. This would be pushing back "viability" to the point that all eggs and sperm are potential humans, where menstruation and masturbation would be akin to murder.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Actually no.

    The Declaration says nothing about unborn children and you have to be extremely creative to see anything useful for limiting abortion.

    I do know you know we didn't ratify the Declaration of Independence but the Constitution. It would be turning our judicial process upside down to use the DoI over the Constitution.

    The DoI says very clearly ALL men are created equal, but not until the Constitution says so were the Irish....ahhh I mean blacks, infact freed.

    The DoI says nothing about women being equal but now the Constitution does. Constitution trumps the DOI.

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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    So the Supreme Court justices that decided Roe v. Wade were what - unreasonable? illiterate? both?
    Willfully ignoring the rule of law, or unable to read a plain English document. Whichever you think more likely, those are the only two possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Willfully ignoring the rule of law, or unable to read a plain English document. Whichever you think more likely, those are the only two possibilities.
    Obviously, you have studied the rulings and it shows with your well worded responses. That is the only possibility. [/snark]
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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Obviously, you have studied the rulings and it shows with your well worded responses. That is the only possibility. [/snark]
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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Hip Hip Hooray for reason and logic, but most of all showing some respect for women's right to privacy, which includes abortion within the parameters of the laws of the land. Good going Oklahoma Supreme Court.

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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    What I find is that a when a person is "born", they are under the jurisdiction of US law. I don't see a "right to be born", rather a protection of rights once one is born.
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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Reason? The U.S. constitution says nothing about abortion. Any reasonable, literate person can see that. Therefore, these fools haven't a leg to stand on.
    You're quite right, it doesn't. However in the Constitution the word "person" has ALWAYS refered to born people.
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