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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

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    Reason prevails. Extremism loses.
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    Reason? The U.S. constitution says nothing about abortion. Any reasonable, literate person can see that. Therefore, these fools haven't a leg to stand on.
    But it does have something to say about a persons privacy along with the interests of the state in protecting the rights of the individual. There is a conflict within that when it comes to pregnancy, hence the balance established with Roe v Wade and PP v Casey.
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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here is a copy of the ruling, which essentially overturns the Oklahoma State Amendment declaring that a fertilized egg is a person.

    And don't count of the Supreme Court to reverse this decision. SCOTUS is actually to the left of Oklahoma's Supreme Court, which is considered the most Conservative court in the land. Note: This was also a unanimous decision.

    Reason prevails. Extremism loses.
    What did the OK law say and what part of PP v Stacey did it conflict with?

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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Too bad. I was going to go to Oklahoma, become 9 months older, celebrate my birthday, and then leave Oklahoma and lose that year again.
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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Reason? The U.S. constitution says nothing about abortion. Any reasonable, literate person can see that.
    So the Supreme Court justices that decided Roe v. Wade were what - unreasonable? illiterate? both?

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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    So the Supreme Court justices that decided Roe v. Wade were what - unreasonable? illiterate? both?
    .....sooo how about those law quotes?

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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Jerry, what quotes are you fishing for?

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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Jerry, what quotes are you fishing for?
    What did the OK law say (ie, exact text of the law) and what part of PP v Casey did it conflict with (as in exact section of the actual ruling)?

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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What did the OK law say (ie, exact text of the law) and what part of PP v Casey did it conflict with (as in exact section of the actual ruling)?
    It hasn't been published yet.

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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What did the OK law say and what part of PP v Stacey did it conflict with?
    Not "stacy"....CASEY, from the OKSC:


    The United States Supreme Court has spoken on this issue. The measure is clearly unconstitutional pursuant to Planned Parenthood v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992). The states are duty bound to follow its interpretation of the law. Twenty years ago, this Court was presented with an initiative which facially conflicted with the Casey decision. This Court held: "The issue of the constitutionality of the initiative petition is governed by the United States Supreme Court's pronouncement in Casey."
    From Casey:

    These three justices began their written opinion by noting the U.S. government's previous challenges to Roe v. Wade:
    "Liberty finds no refuge in a jurisprudence of doubt. Yet 19 years after our holding that the Constitution protects a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy in its early stages, Roe v. Wade (1973), that definition of liberty is still questioned. Joining the respondents as amicus curiae, the United States, as it has done in five other cases in the last decade, again asks us to overrule Roe."
    ie, the "personhood" law would remove the right for a woman to terminate her pregnancy in its early stages.
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    Re: Oklahoma Supreme Court Rules Personhood Amendment Unconstitutional

    Part it conflicts with is the Supreme Court ruling in PPvC is the fertilized egg has already been declared not a person. Amending our State Constitution to declare a two cell blob a person would be defacto prohibition of abortions as the doctor and woman could be charged with murder. Our State Supreme Court says that you can't amend a state Constitution to prohibit abortions, even if the law doesn't directly say so.

    I hope you noted the Republican House leadership in my state has decided to not bring a bill forward to do the personhood thing. What was struck down was a ballot measure, so it is two separate tracks to the same goal. Backdoor eliminating abortions. Similar ballot measures in Mississippi and Colorado to amend their Constitution failed.

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