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OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

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We also have foreign aid, globalist attachments, and egalitarian social doctrine.

Foreign aid in disguise to insert us into not our problem. Globalist attachments to push agenda and power, egalitarian social doctrine which is being whittled down. Yes.
 
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OWS, and all the stupid bastards that support it. We got the right thread, don't we ?
You can very easily strike a balance of regulatory measures and checks and balances, that doesn't involve the federal takeover of the means of production. Not everyone who is in support of OWS or regulations for that matter is an extremist as you imply.
 
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although if you really want to pick someone who was fairly representative of the cleaner side of OWS, you couldn't do much better than this guy:


 
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You are the one who wanted to play this game pal, so enjoy the reality of the movement you support.
Ohh ahh we playing a game..

Meanwhile, enjoy this...
Ok



Yes, everyone was being paid to show up and bussed in by the unions.
They were!? Everyone!? Wow! Someone must be broke!





We didn't have actors and rock stars, so we had to settle for political pundits.
Hahah ohhh i gotcha.. You didnt have rock stars so you had to settle for the most famous and popular "news" organization ordering the masses of conservatives and right on how to think




You mean one media outlet that doesn't despise and openly show contempt toward them.
I thought MSNBC was the only news outlet showing the great Tea Party discontent..
FOX was also the media station always calling it "gov ran healthcare" and those scary "death panels" and many other lies and just complete bull****..



I guess Pelosi, Reid and the president himself offering public support doesn't count.
Ohh ahh Pelosi said "god bless".. Thats some hardcore "support".




What do you expect from a bunch of gun totin', bible thumpin, racists, who hate women and old people?
I never said any of those....



Fun game... Ain't it?
Kinda lame.
 
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Mussolini is one of the foremost fascists that have been. What he states is very much correct. It's like you're pissy if I quote Newton over gravity.

A little integrity is all I'm asking for here.

Yes, he is. But quoting him saying how swell it is would be to quote the fox about his henhouse inconvenience.
 
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You can very easily strike a balance of regulatory measures and checks and balances, that doesn't involve the federal takeover of the means of production. Not everyone who is in support of OWS or regulations for that matter is an extremist as you imply.

That's why the Tea Party sprung from the right. Meanwhile, like it or not, OWS is about redistribution, bigger government, free-stuff, and largesse. That you wish it were something else is noted, but so what ?

OWS is the left wanting more gubmit teat.
 
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Yes, he is. But quoting him saying how swell it is would be to quote the fox about his henhouse inconvenience.

I'm not so sure he was talking about "how swell" fascism was, more that he was commenting on the actual dynamics of fascism some of which he helped forge.
 
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That's why the Tea Party sprung from the right. Meanwhile, like it or not, OWS is about redistribution, bigger government, free-stuff, and largesse. That you wish it were something else is noted, but so what ?

OWS is the left wanting more gubmit teat.


This generation of entitlement will not end any better than it did in Europe.
 
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This generation of entitlement will not end any better than it did in Europe.

It's pretty disgusting how many people think a fair healthcare and social welfare system are "entitlements".
 
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It's pretty disgusting how many people think a fair healthcare and social welfare system are "entitlements".

I think even more disgusting is that we cannot even have a proper debate on it, regardless of how one may feel towards it. It immediately turns into propaganda and partisan tripe.

I just really wish people could think more instead of shutting off the brain and going with whatever reaction the media told them to go with.
 
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It's pretty disgusting how many people think a fair healthcare and social welfare system are "entitlements".

What is disgusting is a post that frames it as "fair healthcare", when I do not believe that there is another post here that says such, much less defines "fair".

Do you like your red herring broiled or blackened ? How about "flushed" ?
 
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Ikari said:
I think even more disgusting is that we cannot even have a proper debate on it, regardless of how one may feel towards it. It immediately turns into propaganda and partisan tripe.

I just really wish people could think more instead of shutting off the brain and going with whatever reaction the media told them to go with.

Well, the problem with healthcare, for example, is that you can't have a real discussion on it because it requires an acceptance of the fundamental premises which these "anti-entitlement" folks deny: the corporate selling-out of the entire system; the failure of private insurance companies to come together with a system that works through the free market; the idea that insurance companies are more effective when they are larger, therefore implying corporatization/monopolozation or government monopoly as the most effective (with the former having proven a failure), etc.

They can't talk about it because they can't accept these facts. When one soberly assesses the facts, one comes to the only conclusion possible: namely, that the only real answer is a single-payer system.

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What is disgusting is a post that frames it as "fair healthcare", when I do not believe that there is another post here that says such, much less defines "fair".

Really? That disgusts you? You must get disgusted pretty easily.

Okay, let's start with a really simple idea, then: how about a system whereby 100% are covered and where healthcare costs don't put people in debtors' prison for their entire lives?
 
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This generation of entitlement will not end any better than it did in Europe.

well, I have hope. Only in America did the Great Recession spawn a movement demanding less government.
 
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well, I have hope. Only in America did the Great Recession spawn a movement demanding less government.

Because we're so smart here!
 
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Because we're so smart here!

Well, I don't know about our intelligence. Our public education system seems to have taken a good hatchet to that. But we are at least currently wiser than Europe. Let us hope we are wise enough to dodge the bullet rather than catch it in the face.
 
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Well, I don't know about our intelligence. Our public education system seems to have taken a good hatchet to that. But we are at least currently wiser than Europe. Let us hope we are wise enough to dodge the bullet rather than catch it in the face.

Given our penchant for ignorance, I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
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Foreign aid in disguise to insert us into not our problem.
Since when do we have plans to insert ourselves into Ethiopia, Colombia, Kenya, Senegal, Tanzania, Uganda, Nigeria, Georgia, Mozambique, etc? It's definitely politically motivated in some form or another, but I have a hard time seeing it as any kind of show of force, or assertion of national dominance.

Globalist attachments to push agenda and power
And to keep us from going flat broke in a global economy. Plus I do see signing the treaties we signed that limit our power, or ability to use the maximum amount of force as pushing agendas and power. Your view is far too limited, which is made apparent by your criticism as the "republocrats" as a single party. For one, they clearly aren't the same, and Mussolini despised the very antics that are pulled in congress on a daily basis, as they inhibit progress. That's why he rejected liberal democracy, in favor of one dictatorial rule.

egalitarian social doctrine which is being whittled down. Yes.
Whittled down? Since when? Egalitarian doctrine continues to grow into every aspect of American life, from health care to the military. From day one of schooling, we're taught that we're all the same, we're all of equal worth and status, and should be treated as such, and that ideology isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Fascists, we are not. Jingoists, with a hint of McCarthyism definitely, but not fascists.
 
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Given our penchant for ignorance, I wouldn't hold my breath.

I'm in the tourism business and deal with people from all parts of the world and hold the intelligence of the American people second to none.

Of course the real test of my conviction will be come in the November presidential election.
 
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Who gets to say what, "proper regulation", is? The government? :rofl

Quite a good point. I'd rather have a corporate America than a centralized planning totalitarian America.
 
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Okay, let's start with a really simple idea, then: how about a system whereby 100% are covered and where healthcare costs don't put people in debtors' prison for their entire lives?

It's hard to believe that there are people anywhere who still believe that the United States has debtor's prisons.
 
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This thread needs a real good bitch slap ... if we can just get the bitch to hold still.

We have folks here, labeled as "left" and "progressive", and maybe even accurately as "liberaL", who want to preach to us about what is wrong with America, and that it needs fixing.

OK. We are no where near as far apart in agreement on that as we are on the undeniable fact that these OWS yahoos and miscreants represent none of that. That these yahoos and miscreants that such as Obama and Pelosi embraced became as enema water just as soon as they became a politcal disaster.

OWS does not represent a legitimate grievance, much less a solution. They are part of the problem in America. Not the solution. Just like Obama.

Libs here can take their ad-hominems and fantasy rabbit holes and angel dust for OWS and shove all that BS where the sun don't shine.

I crap better than OWS. And I am not alone. ;)
 
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United, Together! We **** Better!

I like that, Eighty - has a good ring to it. . . it's chantable and has staying power. :D
 
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United, Together! We **** Better!

I like that, Eighty - has a good ring to it. . . it's chantable and has staying power. :D

Hey. Wish I had thought of it. FWIW, such as the Tea Party is millenia closer to sanity and solutions than OWS.

But "yeah". Wish I hadn't been in such a rush, and found your brevity first :)
 
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