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    Re: OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

    I think it is safe to say after watching nothing really happen on May 1st that OWS is dead. The final nail in the coffin will be when May is over and no one noticed OWS did anything. BTW these people in Spain believe that they are the pioneers of the OWS movement.

    TACTICAL BRIEFING #32 Last May 15, a hundred thousand indignados in Spain seized the squares across their nation, held people’s assemblies and catalyzed a global tactical shift that birthed Occupy Wall Street four months later. Our movement outflanked governments everywhere with a thousand encampments in large part because no one was prepared for Occupy’s magic combination of Spain’s transparent consensus-based acampadas with the Tahrir-model of indefinite occupation of symbolic space. Now exactly a year later, a big question mark hangs over our movement because it is clear that the same tactics may never work again.

    Spring re-occupations have largely failed here in North America. The May Day General Strike was stifled by aggressive, preemptive policing that neutralized Occupy’s signature moves. In light of these challenges, Saturday’s May 12 rebirth of the indignados could be a tactical turning point.
    The funny part is how it was signed: for the wild, Culture Jammers HQ OccupyWallStreet.org / Tactical Briefing #29, #30, #31 / Be present on May 12 and on May 18 spark the #LAUGHRIOT then swarm Chicago.

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    And then there is this fine piece at the official OWS website: Occupy Wall Street's anarchist roots | OccupyWallSt.org Which is written by none other than David-Graeber himself. For those that dont know he is the owner of Adbusters.

    And he says this:
    How, then, did OWS embody anarchist principles? It might be helpful to go over this point by point:

    The refusal to recognise the legitimacy of existing political institutions.

    One reason for the much-discussed refusal to issue demands is because issuing demands means recognising the legitimacy - or at least, the power - of those of whom the demands are made. Anarchists often note that this is the difference between protest and direct action: Protest, however militant, is an appeal to the authorities to behave differently; direct action, whether it's a matter of a community building a well or making salt in defiance of the law (Gandhi's example again), trying to shut down a meeting or occupy a factory, is a matter of acting as if the existing structure of power does not even exist. Direct action is, ultimately, the defiant insistence on acting as if one is already free.

    The refusal to accept the legitimacy of the existing legal order.

    The second principle, obviously, follows from the first. From the very beginning, when we first started holding planning meetings in Tompkins Square Park in New York, organisers knowingly ignored local ordinances that insisted that any gathering of more than 12 people in a public park is illegal without police permission - simply on the grounds that such laws should not exist. On the same grounds, of course, we chose to occupy a park, inspired by examples from the Middle East and southern Europe, on the grounds that, as the public, we should not need permission to occupy public space. This might have been a very minor form of civil disobedience but it was crucial that we began with a commitment to answer only to a moral order, not a legal one.

    The refusal to create an internal hierarchy, but instead to create a form of consensus-based direct democracy.

    From the very beginning, too, organisers made the audacious decision to operate not only by direct democracy, without leaders, but by consensus. The first decision ensured that there would be no formal leadership structure that could be co-opted or coerced; the second, that no majority could bend a minority to its will, but that all crucial decisions had to be made by general consent. American anarchists have long considered consensus process (a tradition that has emerged from a confluence of feminism, anarchism and spiritual traditions like the Quakers) crucial for the reason that it is the only form of decision-making that could operate without coercive enforcement - since if a majority does not have the means to compel a minority to obey its dictates, all decisions will, of necessity, have to be made by general consent.

    The embrace of prefigurative politics.

    As a result, Zuccotti Park, and all subsequent encampments, became spaces of experiment with creating the institutions of a new society - not only democratic General Assemblies but kitchens, libraries, clinics, media centres and a host of other institutions, all operating on anarchist principles of mutual aid and self-organisation - a genuine attempt to create the institutions of a new society in the shell of the old.

    Why did it work? Why did it catch on? One reason is, clearly, because most Americans are far more willing to embrace radical ideas than anyone in the established media is willing to admit. The basic message - that the American political order is absolutely and irredeemably corrupt, that both parties have been bought and sold by the wealthiest 1 per cent of the population, and that if we are to live in any sort of genuinely democratic society, we're going to have to start from scratch - clearly struck a profound chord in the American psyche.

    The question should be why is a person from another country heading an attempted revolt? I mean WTF this guy has no say so on what happens in America.

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    Re: OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

    And further the OWS has developed a Global May Manifesto. [thats three different links]

    Whats funny is that they start out with "The statement below does not speak, or claim to speak, on behalf of everyone in the global spring/Occupy/Take the Square movements. This is an attempt by some inside the movements to reconcile statements written and endorsed in the different assemblies around the world." Yet every OWS site has the exact same canned "Manifesto". One can guess that the statement is for adherence to anarchy and not anything else.

    They say all kinds of stuff that one would expect them to say. But here are some statements that should get peoples attention:

    Every human being should have access to an adequate income for their livelihood, so we ask for work or, alternatively, universal basic income guarantee.

    Apart from bread, we want roses. Everyone has the right to enjoy culture, participate in a creative and enriching leisure in service of the progress of humankind. Therefore, we demand the progressive reduction of working hours, without reducing income.

    We demand policies that function under the understanding that our changing patterns of life should either be organic/ecological or else not occur. These policies should be based on a simple rule: one should not spoil the balance of ecosystems for profit. Violations of this policy should be prosecuted around the world as an environmental crime, with severe sanctions for convicted.

    We demand the creation of international environmental standards, mandatory for countries, companies, corporations, and individuals. Ecocide (willful damage to the environment, ecosystems, biodiversity) should be internationally recognised as a crime of the greatest magnitude.

    To achieve these objectives, we believe that the economy should be run democratically at all levels, from local to global. People must get democratic control over financial institutions, transnational corporations and their lobbies.

    At all levels we ask for the development of a democracy that is as participatory as possible, including non representative direct democracy.

    We call for the democratization of access to and management of media (MSM). These should serve to educate the public, as opposed to the creation of an artificial consensus about unjust policies.

    We ask for democracy in companies and corporations. Workers, regardless of wage level or gender, should have real decision-making power in the companies and corporations they work in. We want to promote cooperative companies and corporations, as real democratic economic institutions.




    And this one just in case the reader was unable to see the obvious and what the Occupy movement is all about: Some of us believe a new Universal Declaration of Human Rights, fit for the 21st century, written in a participatory, direct and democratic way, needs to be written. As long as the current Declaration of Human Rights defines our rights, it must be enforced in relation to all – in both rich and poor countries. Implementing institutions that force compliance and penalize violators need to be established, such as a Global Court to prosecute social, economic and environmental crimes perpetrated by governments, corporations and individuals. At all levels – local, national, regional and global – new constitutions for political institutions need to be considered, like in Iceland or in some Latin American countries. Justice and law must work for all, otherwise justice is not justice, and law is not law.

    In other words for those here that keep denying what the Occupy movement really is, the occupiers want to dissolve American Government and create a new global government. In other words they fancy to take over the world under the name of Anarchy. And the goal is right there in black and white for all to see. Yes OWS has a plan and its called WAR.

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    Re: OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    And further the OWS has developed a Global May Manifesto. [thats three different links]

    Whats funny is that they start out with "The statement below does not speak, or claim to speak, on behalf of everyone in the global spring/Occupy/Take the Square movements. This is an attempt by some inside the movements to reconcile statements written and endorsed in the different assemblies around the world." Yet every OWS site has the exact same canned "Manifesto". One can guess that the statement is for adherence to anarchy and not anything else.

    They say all kinds of stuff that one would expect them to say. But here are some statements that should get peoples attention:

    [I]Every human being should have access to an adequate income for their livelihood, so we ask for work or, alternatively, universal basic income guarantee.

    Apart from bread, we want roses. Everyone has the right to enjoy culture, participate in a creative and enriching leisure in service of the progress of humankind. Therefore, we demand the progressive reduction of working hours, without reducing income.
    This caught my attention, in particular. Typical Occutard ignorance about the most basic principles of economics. Income comes from wealth. Wealth is created by people working. If people work less, then less wealth will be created, and people will have less income. Only someone with an Occutard level of stupidity could believe that it makes any sense to demand that working hours be reduced, without a corresponding reduction in generated income.
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    Re: OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    This caught my attention, in particular. Typical Occutard ignorance about the most basic principles of economics. Income comes from wealth. Wealth is created by people working. If people work less, then less wealth will be created, and people will have less income. Only someone with an Occutard level of stupidity could believe that it makes any sense to demand that working hours be reduced, without a corresponding reduction in generated income.
    The real problem is that too many people believe that this is possible. When ignorance of this sort permeates society, and we can see on here that it's happening, then it becomes very difficult for any society to survive.
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    Re: OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    This caught my attention, in particular. Typical Occutard ignorance about the most basic principles of economics. Income comes from wealth. Wealth is created by people working. If people work less, then less wealth will be created, and people will have less income. Only someone with an Occutard level of stupidity could believe that it makes any sense to demand that working hours be reduced, without a corresponding reduction in generated income.
    I'm also unsympathetic because from my angle, the whole movement seems to be represented by people who can't identify with the joys of being able to work long and hard and make your way as opposed to being denied the opportunity wholesale. I gladly take up the idea that I will be busy from morning to night, because it gives me a sense of accomplishment, the job will carry prestige, and I earn a decent living.

    They are supposed to represent me in every sense, yet I feel like they are alien creatures who do not appreciate real problems and are lazy.
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    Re: OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'm also unsympathetic because from my angle, the whole movement seems to be represented by people who can't identify with the joys of being able to work long and hard and make your way as opposed to being denied the opportunity wholesale. I gladly take up the idea that I will be busy from morning to night, because it gives me a sense of accomplishment, the job will carry prestige, and I earn a decent living.

    They are supposed to represent me in every sense, yet I feel like they are alien creatures who do not appreciate real problems and are lazy.
    I keep wondering where these people work that they can spend weeks on end sitting in a tent whining. I don't have time to occupy anything but my office. If they have no jobs, then they need to get off their asses and get some.
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    Re: OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I keep wondering where these people work that they can spend weeks on end sitting in a tent whining. I don't have time to occupy anything but my office. If they have no jobs, then they need to get off their asses and get some.
    clearly, the most committed Occupiers are unemployed, underemployed, or part of the perpetual-student class.

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    Re: OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    clearly, the most committed Occupiers are unemployed, underemployed, or part of the perpetual-student class.
    Or vandals that want to disturb the peace, like planning on blocking bridges and tunnels.
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    Re: OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

    Lol, great idea. Hopefully they will all be run over.

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    Re: OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

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    clearly, the most committed Occupiers are unemployed, underemployed, or part of the perpetual-student class.
    Yeah, part of my demographic. I don't sympathize with the students.
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