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    Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Hatuey is doing it again isnt he?

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    Yeah - that's it! He's hoisting out his engine and swapping in a new one.

    Wait what?
    A screaming comes across the sky.
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    Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, I use this as proof that Milton Freedman wasn't a supporter of "small government" or for that matter "free markets". Maybe if you had a clue as to what you were discussing instead of looking up YouTube videos, you'd have realized that.

    Of course he wasn't, which is why he said the country was freer than communist countries, which it wasn't. Actually the Chilean dictatorship was brutal.

    Which they weren't.

    WHERE?

    So now we're marking "free societies" by how many get killed? You're more dishonest or ignorant than I thought.

    There WAS NO POLITICAL FREEDOM IN CHILE during Pinochet's regime. Are you even serious?
    So now its "ignorant and dishonest ......

    Clearly you are over-matched in debate.

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    Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    So now its "ignorant and dishonest ......

    Clearly you are over-matched in debate.
    I accept your surrender.
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    Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I am not complaining about human nature. Self preservation is human nature. and actively destroying our economy, our environment, our childrens futures ect. is not self preservation. If this were a problem because of human nature self preservation would trump greed ......
    Look, you blamed consumers acting as consumers. You also seem to imply that this same human nature, which we have always had, is only now destroying everything.

    You are wearing blinders, or being deliberately obtuse, or choosing ignorance in this discussion. Our economic problems are not rooted in the exercise of free choice. Our economic problems are rooted in a lack of competitiveness in too many markets, fomented by an enabling of largesse, and folks whose concept of "fairness" is measured by a government assurance of results, not opportunity.

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    Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - that's it! He's hoisting out his engine and swapping in a new one.

    Wait what?
    Yeah, I didn't really get it either. Opportunity is just mad he doesn't know the difference between proof and statements so he's mad I gave him a lesson on googling.
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    Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    "Chile is not a politically free system, and I do not condone the system. But the people there are freer than the people in Communist societies because government plays a smaller role. ... The conditions of the people in the past few years has been getting better and not worse. They would be still better to get rid of the junta and to be able to have a free democratic system."
    That's all true. Did you find otherwise?

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    Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Look, you blamed consumers acting as consumers. You also seem to imply that this same human nature, which we have always had, is only now destroying everything.
    never before in the history of time has their been this same opportunity to do what is happening. The Walmarts and other major corporations of the world have not always existed. Communities have always relied local businesses in order to thrive. Never has their been such a large absence of local businesses. So yes, this is now destroying everything.

    You are wearing blinders, or being deliberately obtuse, or choosing ignorance in this discussion. Our economic problems are not rooted in the exercise of free choice.
    You are again making false assumptions. I am not saying our economic problems are a result of free choice. i am saying that people are making poor choices and not accepting responsibility for the result of those choices.

    Our economic problems are rooted in a lack of competitiveness in too many markets,
    How exactly do you compete with our current standards of employment with China?
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    Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post

    How exactly do you compete with our current standards of employment with China?
    You work harder and you work smarter. There is no other way.

    Americans enjoyed a high standard of living compared with other countries because of the devastation of WWII on many countries and then the hell of Communism.

    But since the effects of WWII have disappeared and former communist countries have become more free, Americans are naturally going to face more competition. All the whining and moaning about the Chinese, or what have you, is not going to change a thing. You either work harder and smarter or you're not in the race.

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    Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's all true. Did you find otherwise?
    People in Chile were freer than in communist societies? If you believe government kidnappings, murders, rapes, execution of political dissidents, banning of political parties and corporatist economic policies are the mark of societies "freer" than communist societies, you're either a moron or completely ignorant of Chile from the 70s to the late 80s.
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    Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You work harder and you work smarter. There is no other way.

    Americans enjoyed a high standard of living compared with other countries because of the devastation of WWII on many countries and then the hell of Communism.

    But since the effects of WWII have disappeared and former communist countries have become more free, Americans are naturally going to face more competition. All the whining and moaning about the Chinese, or what have you, is not going to change a thing. You either work harder and smarter or you're not in the race.
    Not true. Working harder means nothing it the only concern of consumers is the price. The only way the American economy and current standard of living is going to improve or even stay the same is by the American people investing in themselves.
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