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Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

Billy the Kid said:
Savage abused the school children for personal reasons.
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Gimme a break, that's the stupidest f-ing thing I've heard.

You sound like Sarah Palin after the Letterman thing, "school children", playing on sympathies, trying to paint a false picture.

The kids who refuse to challenge their own beliefs and put scripture in a logical historical context are cowards.
 
hazlnut said:
Gimme a break, that's the stupidest f-ing thing I've heard.

You sound like Sarah Palin after the Letterman thing, "school children", playing on sympathies, trying to paint a false picture.

The kids who refuse to challenge their own beliefs and put scripture in a logical historical context are cowards.
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How about you link the these "kids who refuse to challenge their own beliefs" in the article. Thanks
 
Not just that they refused to "challenge their own beliefs" but they refused to listen to an alternative viewpoint - way to get an education.
 
Billy the Kid said:
How about you link the these "kids who refuse to challenge their own beliefs" in the article. Thanks
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Gimmesometruth said:
Um....those would be the ones that walked out....DOH!
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Billy the Kid said:
Hiya Gimmie. Reading between the lines are you. Good on ya.
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Uh...no Yoda...I was DIRECTLY telling you that those who walked out "refused the challenge to their beliefs".

Now it is your turn to ignore this part of the story and revert back to protecting the children...
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Uh...no Yoda...I was DIRECTLY telling you that those who walked out "refused the challenge to their beliefs".

Now it is your turn to ignore this part of the story and revert back to protecting the children...
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Now, now Gimmie. The kids came because their teacher signed them up. You are assuming they came to "challenge their beliefs", yes? Was that in the article, no.


What do you know about the "kids belief"? I don't think the article mentioned anything other than the kids came from a Christian school. Like I've pointed out before, there are 400+ religions, most are Christian and they all choose what they believe, so which one were these kids from?

So you are projecting what you want the kids to have been there for and what the debate should be about, yes? Does that do it for you? Good!
 
Billy the Kid said:
Well, Grimmie, I'm sure you'll understand when I tell you, the message to me was clear. Savage abused the school children for personal reasons.

Now I know you want to put lipstick on the pig, but the pig will remain that Savage took his personal feelings out on school children. Simple.
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Sorry but if those "kids" cant handle "pansy ass", they're going to have a real hard time in life as adults, and as journalists.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Now, now Gimmie. The kids came because their teacher signed them up. You are assuming they came to "challenge their beliefs", yes? Was that in the article, no.


What do you know about the "kids belief"? I don't think the article mentioned anything other than the kids came from a Christian school. Like I've pointed out before, there are 400+ religions, most are Christian and they all choose what they believe, so which one were these kids from?

So you are projecting what you want the kids to have been there for and what the debate should be about, yes? Does that do it for you? Good!
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Once again, kid, you refuse to follow up on the answer to your own question. The argument made throughout this thread is that the kisd walked out because they did not want to hear someone questioning/insulting/putting down/yadda yadda their faith. This has been said by conservatives and believers....and acknowledged by the liberals and moderates. If you want to argue that is NOT so, you have a big crowd to deal with.

So again, you want proof that they walked because their faith was questioned, just look at the vast majority that believe it is so.

Further, these were students from all over the nation, they signed themselves up....it wasn't a class outing.

I NEVER assumed they came to have their faith challenged, that is another bit of straw from you. They came to hear a lecture about countering bullying though social media techniques, "edgy" media sources and "edgy" media producers.

Again, the question you brought up that you are now trying to distract from is "who are the kids that had their faith challenged?" The answer again is "the HS kids that walked out". That answer is NOT "reading between the lines", it is a direct answer to your question, an answer you can't handle.
 
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Flippinfunky said:
Sorry but if those "kids" cant handle "pansy ass", they're going to have a real hard time in life as adults, and as journalists.
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Maybe it's not about "handling" name-calling. Why should anybody, adult or teen, sit and be harangued? We each have the right to choose what we will dignify. Nobody's heard the entire speech, only snippets, so I don't know whether I would've walked out. I might have; I'm not a fan of dull invective or captive audiences either.

Raise your hand if you've taken journo courses.

Raise your hand if you've ever been a working journalist.

And then we can talk about what a working journalist does and the difference between scooping a story and attending a conference as an audience participant.

As for having a hard time as an adult if they can't "take" being called names, let me admit that I am an adult who honestly can't imagine a professional setting in which I'm forced to endure an offensive diatribe. That's kind of an adult rule: You don't have to sit and take crap from anybody.
 
Somerville said:
"Savage abused the school children"? Sorry but I ain't buying it. Priests forcing themselves onto altar boys - that is abuse. True Believers praying over sick children instead of getting them medical care - that is abuse. Old style Muslims forcing their daughters to be genitally mutilated - that is abuse. A gay man calling out a few teens who had their religious fee-fees hurt for refusing to listen to his speech - that ain't abuse


Every day, Dan Savage deals with the horrific results of bigoted teens abusing gay, and sometimes they are perceived as gay even though they are straight, classmates - so I think he may have a bit more experience with true abuse than most commenters in this thread.
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So, basically if a Christian does it...it's abuse. If a homosexual does it...it's not abuse. That about cover it? I bet you think blacks can't be racist, too, right?
 
Flippinfunky said:
Sorry but if those "kids" cant handle "pansy ass", they're going to have a real hard time in life as adults, and as journalists.
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but fag or homo are out of the question, right?
 
hazlnut said:
Gimme a break, that's the stupidest f-ing thing I've heard.

You sound like Sarah Palin after the Letterman thing, "school children", playing on sympathies, trying to paint a false picture.

The kids who refuse to challenge their own beliefs and put scripture in a logical historical context are cowards.
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They were school children. They were minors...under age.
 
nota bene said:
Maybe it's not about "handling" name-calling. Why should anybody, adult or teen, sit and be harangued? We each have the right to choose what we will dignify. Nobody's heard the entire speech, only snippets, so I don't know whether I would've walked out. I might have; I'm not a fan of dull invective or captive audiences either.

Raise your hand if you've taken journo courses.

Raise your hand if you've ever been a working journalist.

And then we can talk about what a working journalist does and the difference between scooping a story and attending a conference as an audience participant.

As for having a hard time as an adult if they can't "take" being called names, let me admit that I am an adult who honestly can't imagine a professional setting in which I'm forced to endure an offensive diatribe. That's kind of an adult rule: You don't have to sit and take crap from anybody.
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I guess when people take general comments about Biblical hypocrisy personally, they probably will take other commentary personally....and won't make very good journalists....since journalism requires a modicum of objectiveness and neutrality.
 
As for having a hard time as an adult if they can't "take" being called names, let me admit that I am an adult who honestly can't imagine a professional setting in which I'm forced to endure an offensive diatribe. That's kind of an adult rule: You don't have to sit and take crap from anybody.
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Oh you might have to if the job means you can feed yourself and your kids and keep a roof over your heads.

Here's one fine example that turned out OK - in my opinion but it took years - and I'm sure that some will say it is "proof" for xians being persecuted in America
New York Employment Law Firm Prevails on Behalf of Client, Wins 1.6M Award for Sexual Orientation Discrimination Case
New York employment law attorney Derek T. Smith of the Derek T. Smith Law Group, P.C. successfully pursued a sexual orientation discrimination case on behalf of a Manhattan chef claiming her former employer harassed her for being a lesbian, winning her a total of 1.6M in damages
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The verdict report for Case 117115/2007, Mirella Salemi v. Gloria’s Tribeca, Inc. (d/b/a Mary Ann’s), et al, clarifies the harassment that Salemi faced on the job from 2004, when Globakar converted to Pentecostal Evangelical Christianity, up until she left in 2007. Every Wednesday, Globakar would lock the doors of the restaurant and force all the employees, including Salemi, to attend a prayer service from 3p.m. to 5p.m. that was conducted by members of his church. During that service, Globakar and his pastor would condemn homosexuality. In addition, according to the verdict report, Globakar handed out religious paraphernalia at work and used slurs against homosexuals on a regular basis. He allegedly told Salemi to become more “effeminate” in her behavior and clothing, get married to a man and have children, or else she would go to hell.
... Globakar himself testified that he regularly closed the restaurant for church meetings and considered homosexuality a sin “on par with murder,” and that being gay was “immoral, abnormal, unnatural, and similar to a mental illness,” and as such could be “cured” by prayer.
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Yet some will try to say that the xian students were "harassed and bullied" even though they had the option of simply walking out, while this xian business owner, who LOCKED his employees inside had every right to act as he did.
 
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Flippinfunky said:
Sorry but if those "kids" cant handle "pansy ass", they're going to have a real hard time in life as adults, and as journalists.
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So you're telling me you'd send your kids to a seminar/conference/lecture and it would be ok for "whoever" at the podium, starts calling your kids "pansy ass", just because they didn't like your kids religion/belief/whatever, yes?
 
Billy the Kid said:
So you're telling me you'd send your kids to a seminar/conference/lecture and it would be ok for "whoever" at the podium, starts calling your kids "pansy ass", just because they didn't like your kids religion/belief/whatever, yes?
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How would anyone know what the students beliefs were? Isn't that the argument you have been making?


Billy the Kid said:
What do you know about the "kids belief"? I don't think the article mentioned anything other than the kids came from a Christian school. Like I've pointed out before, there are 400+ religions, most are Christian and they all choose what they believe, so which one were these kids from?
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Gimmesometruth said:
Once again, kid, you refuse to follow up on the answer to your own question. The argument made throughout this thread is that the kisd walked out because they did not want to hear someone questioning/insulting/putting down/yadda yadda their faith. This has been said by conservatives and believers....and acknowledged by the liberals and moderates. If you want to argue that is NOT so, you have a big crowd to deal with.

So again, you want proof that they walked because their faith was questioned, just look at the vast majority that believe it is so.

Further, these were students from all over the nation, they signed themselves up....it wasn't a class outing.

I NEVER assumed they came to have their faith challenged, that is another bit of straw from you. They came to hear a lecture about countering bullying though social media techniques, "edgy" media sources and "edgy" media producers.

Again, the question you brought up that you are now trying to distract from is "who are the kids that had their faith challenged?" The answer again is "the HS kids that walked out". That answer is NOT "reading between the lines", it is a direct answer to your question, an answer you can't handle.
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No. I don't have any questions. You have questions Gimmie.

I've said over and over and over what I thought of the whole mess. The speaker was an a**wipe bully, supposedly speaking against bullying, he offended the school kids, the kids walked out and left and that was the whole story.
 
Billy the Kid said:
So you're telling me you'd send your kids to a seminar/conference/lecture and it would be ok for "whoever" at the podium, starts calling your kids "pansy ass", just because they didn't like your kids religion/belief/whatever, yes?
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Vitriolic and abusive speech happens all the time in America, most often on Sundays from church pulpits. You know - one of the reasons for Dan Savage to speak at this conference was to point out how harmful such speech can be.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
They were HS age, some where adults...at least those who stayed.
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If you are an adult in HS...you're stupid. Not to many stupid people become journalists.

They were underage. Minors. Children.
 
mac said:
If you are an adult in HS...you're stupid. Not to many stupid people become journalists.

They were underage. Minors. Children.
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HUH? Lots of Seniors are 18. Who is stupid now?
 
Somerville said:
Vitriolic and abusive speech happens all the time in America, most often on Sundays from church pulpits. You know - one of the reasons for Dan Savage to speak at this conference was to point out how harmful such speech can be.
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I've never heard such speach in Church, and I rather doubt you have either. That makes your statement rather bigoted...at the very least, prejudiced.
 
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