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Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

lpast said:
The anti bully is bullying ?

As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant “pansy assed.”


Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes
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Quelle Surprise! not.

Instead of "as many as 100 high school students" walking out, it seems the story now is "about two dozen students, and some advisers" walked out of an auditorium where as many as 3000 were sitting.

also Savage noted that he had asked if he should "moderate" a speech that he has given multiple times
Savage, 47, said he asked the organizers — the National Scholastic Press Association and Journalism Education Association — if he should "moderate" the speech. "They said, 'No. Be yourself; do what you do.' "

"It wasn't like I sneaked up on a Bible study class and commandeered the podium. I'm like the devil. You have to invite me in," said Savage.
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The whole mess of outrage and self-pity on the part of the 'Christians' who claim to be offended and injured by the man's words is looking more and more like it was all pre-planned
 
Somerville said:
Quelle Surprise! not.

Instead of "as many as 100 high school students" walking out, it seems the story now is "about two dozen students, and some advisers" walked out of an auditorium where as many as 3000 were sitting.


Ok...and ? that makes savage right now..lol
also Savage noted that he had asked if he should "moderate" a speech that he has given multiple times


The whole mess of outrage and self-pity on the part of the 'Christians' who claim to be offended and injured by the man's words is looking more and more like it was all pre-planned
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Ok...and ? that makes savage right now..lol
 
lpast said:
Ok...and ? that makes savage right now..lol
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Why the nerve of those of students who were offended by this nimrod's comments. They should have been made to sit there and listen to the bully.

You know my question? Suppose this guy at the podium spoke about gays like Savage did about these kids, would the answer be the same? Not on any given day and everyone knows it.
 
Dude was an ass; if normal people can convey their opinions civilly than so can this orator. He acted like a highschool dropout: no class. Also Billy raises good points about the shoe being on the other foot. If some "Christian" was ranting against how evil homosexuals are, are you going to commend those gay students from walking out civilly? If there's one thing that pushes my buttons it's hypocrisy; either all students may leave civilly and not be disrespected, or none. I don't want to hear the hypocritical bs that it's alright for homosexuals to walk out, but if Christians walk out they're stupid cowards. Enough.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Why the nerve of those of students who were offended by this nimrod's comments. They should have been made to sit there and listen to the bully.

You know my question? Suppose this guy at the podium spoke about gays like Savage did about these kids, would the answer be the same? Not on any given day and everyone knows it.
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Go with that Billy, tell us, what would this "guy" have said that would be equal?

Would "the guy" have said: "You are a hypocrite if you are a christian gay and condemn straight people, we can learn to ignore the bs in the Bible about straight people, just as we have learned to ignore the bs in the Bible about shellfish, slavery...."

Is that the equivalence you are looking for?


Wake said:
Dude was an ass; if normal people can convey their opinions civilly than so can this orator. He acted like a highschool dropout: no class. Also Billy raises good points about the shoe being on the other foot. If some "Christian" was ranting against how evil homosexuals are, are you going to commend those gay students from walking out civilly? If there's one thing that pushes my buttons it's hypocrisy; either all students may leave civilly and not be disrespected, or none. I don't want to hear the hypocritical bs that it's alright for homosexuals to walk out, but if Christians walk out they're stupid cowards. Enough.
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That would not be the "the shoe on the other foot", what I wrote above would be. Of course, the problem is, that the Bible does not condemn straig......er...."normal" people.

enough......
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Go with that Billy, tell us, what would this "guy" have said that would be equal?

Would "the guy" have said: "You are a hypocrite if you are a christian gay and condemn straight people, we can learn to ignore the bs in the Bible about straight people, just as we have learned to ignore the bs in the Bible about shellfish, slavery...."

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How about somethng like this directly from Savage himself. I've taken the liberty to replace "Bible" with "gay". "“You can tell the "gay" guys in the hall they can come back now because I’m done beating up the "gays",” Savage said as other students hollered and cheered. “It’s funny as someone who is on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the "gays" how pansy-assed people react when you push back.”


I don't think adults should at any time abuse or bullying children. I don't care what creed, color or sexual preference kids fall in, children are off limits.
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Billy the Kid said:
How about somethng like this directly from Savage himself. I've taken the liberty to replace "Bible" with "gay". "“You can tell the "gay" guys in the hall they can come back now because I’m done beating up the "gays",” Savage said as other students hollered and cheered. “It’s funny as someone who is on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the "gays" how pansy-assed people react when you push back.”


I don't think adults should at any time abuse or bullying children. I don't care what creed, color or sexual preference kids fall in, children are off limits.
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That is pretty bad there Billy, a false equivalence. The Bible and gays are not the same thing, one is a book, one is a human being.

Try again, and this time include what the speaker would have said to get the human beings to leave in the first place.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Billy the Kid said:
That is pretty bad there Billy, a false equivalence. The Bible and gays are not the same thing, one is a book, one is a human being.

Try again, and this time include what the speaker would have said to get the human beings to leave in the first place.
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I don't have to try again Gimmie. I made my point. You just didn't like it, right? :mrgreen:
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Gimmesometruth said:
That is pretty bad there Billy, a false equivalence. The Bible and gays are not the same thing, one is a book, one is a human being.

Try again, and this time include what the speaker would have said to get the human beings to leave in the first place.
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Yesh, but you're forgetting that the Bible is THE UNDISPUTED TRUTH.
 
Billy the Kid said:
I don't have to try again Gimmie. I made my point. You just didn't like it, right? :mrgreen:
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It is not the same, Billy, but then maybe the problem is that you don't know the difference between an inanimate object (a book) and an animated one (a person).
 
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Classic cartoon fits in any scenario.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
That would not be the "the shoe on the other foot", what I wrote above would be. Of course, the problem is, that the Bible does not condemn straig......er...."normal" people.

enough......
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With respect I view it differently. If someone is being disrespectful like Dan was, then any people in the crowd, I think, has the right to civilly leave. This applies to gay students, black students, Muslims, Christians, whatever. That is what my point is about; if you're offended you have the right to leave and, imo, other people shouldn't disrespect you for it. I also feel Dan was being a punk; any person can get their message out more effectively than being insulting.
 
the_recruit said:
I don't care for Dan Savag but I can't say I disagree with his opinion of the bible. However, I think he's completely off the mark in regards to bullying here.

I don't see any evidence that Christianity is a root cause for this kind of bullying. I see no reason to believe that the underlying psychology for bullying a particular subset, in this case - gays, is any different than the underlying psychology for bullying scrawny nerds, or fat girls, or kids with bad acne. And that has nothing to do with the bible or Christianity.
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Does this work?

Gimmesometruth said:
Kinda like this....and whatnot?



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Wake said:
With respect I view it differently. If someone is being disrespectful like Dan was, then any people in the crowd, I think, has the right to civilly leave. This applies to gay students, black students, Muslims, Christians, whatever. That is what my point is about; if you're offended you have the right to leave and, imo, other people shouldn't disrespect you for it. I also feel Dan was being a punk; any person can get their message out more effectively than being insulting.
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Um, the argument is not over whether there is or is not a right to leave.

I'll say it again, for it to be the "shoe on the other foot" it would go like this:

"You are a hypocrite if you are a christian gay and condemn straight people, we can learn to ignore the bs in the Bible about straight people, just as we have learned to ignore the bs in the Bible about shellfish, slavery...."

And I am still trying to figure out...are you really making a distinction between "normal" and gay?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
(1) Um, the argument is not over whether there is or is not a right to leave.

I'll say it again, for it to be the "shoe on the other foot" it would go like this:

(2) "You are a hypocrite if you are a christian gay and condemn straight people, we can learn to ignore the bs in the Bible about straight people, just as we have learned to ignore the bs in the Bible about shellfish, slavery...."
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(1) One point I've been making in this discussion is that all kinds of students should have the right to leave civilly without being castigated.

(2) We're probably not going to agree on this. My religion is very important to me, and you see it as merely a book. I also feel you're distorting the points I'm trying to convey, one of the main ones being in point #1. When I refer to "the show on the other foot," I'm referring to those people on one side of the spectrum who view homosexuality as a sin, and those people on the other who don't view it as a sin and support the concept of homosexuality. Also, I don't think there is such a thing as a gay Christian, just like I don't think there are adulterous Christians; the Bible explicitly mentions those things as sin and warns Christians of it. There is a difference, though, if a Christian has had gay temptations or was gay, but is trying his/her best to change and follow the Word of God. Those are my thoughts on the matter.
 
Wake said:
(1) One point I've been making in this discussion is that all kinds of students should have the right to leave civilly without being castigated.
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The "right" was never debated.

We're probably not going to agree on this. My religion is very important to me, and you see it as merely a book. I also feel you're distorting the points I'm trying to convey, one of the main ones being in point #1. When I refer to "the show on the other foot," I'm referring to those people on one side of the spectrum who view homosexuality as a sin, and those people on the other who don't view it as a sin and support the concept of homosexuality.
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You avoid describing what a speaker would say "if the shoe was on the other foot"! You brought up this hypothetical and when I spell it out in the same logic from that "other" speaker, the logic collapses.....because there is no other foot.

And to add, homosexuality is no more a "concept" than heterosexuality. They are facts of life, your god created both.


Also, I don't think there is such a thing as a gay Christian, just like I don't think there are adulterous Christians; the Bible explicitly mentions those things as sin and warns Christians of it. There is a difference, though, if a Christian has had gay temptations or was gay, but is trying his/her best to change and follow the Word of God. Those are my thoughts on the matter.
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So then what is a person who does not love his neighbor, who condemns his neighbor, who passes judgement on his neighbor? Are those not "sins"? Is that person a "christian" when they use the Bible to condemn to hell a neighbor....casting the first stone and all?

PS...I see for the third time you have avoided clarifying the "normal" and gay question.
 
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Wake said:
I don't think so. That cartoon misrepresents what happened in this scenario, and in general is dubious, imo.
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Of course. Because it's the not the gay teens being bullied to the point of suicide who are the victims. It's the poor conservative Christian community that are the real victims here. The precious liberty of using traditional social authority to belittle others not to their liking are under attack. Victimhood culture; everyone's a star player, unless you're actually a victim, then you're just a pain in the ass.
 
Gimme, I think you're competent in debate on some issues, but on this issue I feel we're getting nowhere. It's frustrating when I make a point regarding the topic, and then you seem to shift it into a different argument entirely. Also we have very different views on this issue and like oil and water our beliefs cannot really mix. You feel God created homosexuality and that it is alright, I feel it is a sin and that it is mentioned as such in the Bible both OT and NT. I was speaking of two select groups of people, but you want to change what I meant and tell me that I meant something else entirely. I don't mind when members get somewhat technical and picky, but when it's used to completely derail my argument into something else it serves to frustrate and disinterest.

RadicalModerate said:
Of course. Because it's the not the gay teens being bullied to the point of suicide who are the victims. It's the poor conservative Christian community that are the real victims here. The precious liberty of using traditional social authority to belittle others not to their liking are under attack. Victimhood culture; everyone's a star player, unless you're actually a victim, then you're just a pain in the ass.
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I never said there weren't homosexual students that were bullied. Bullies need to be placed in jail; my beliefs are Draconian when it comes to punishing them. It is not Christian to bully people. One can give their opinion that homosexuality is a sin, yet do so in a way as to not bully others. I also don't think these instances of homosexuals being bullied by some "Christian" bullies should be used on an attack against Christianity; to me it seems like some are using these tragedies to further their own agenda.

Whether you are gay or not, you shouldn't be bullied, you do have the right to civilly leave, and I fell you shouldn't be insulted for doing so. Also, whether a gay activist or a Christian activist, I don't think you should act like an ass when trying to spread your message.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
That is pretty bad there Billy, a false equivalence. The Bible and gays are not the same thing, one is a book, one is a human being.

Try again, and this time include what the speaker would have said to get the human beings to leave in the first place.
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You like to nitpick at stuff. It's a lame debate tactic, it makes you look weak. You get his point... but you resort to semantics to try to undo it. It doesn't work.

Just replace "gays" with "gay agenda" in his turnaround quote if you have to have it that way to see the point... *sigh*
 
I'm opening a Cure The Evangelical clinic.

Pray away the false teachings and misreadings of the bible.

I want to help the lost sheep called Evangelicals find their way back to true Christianity.
 
Wake said:
Gimme, I think you're competent in debate on some issues, but on this issue I feel we're getting nowhere. It's frustrating when I make a point regarding the topic, and then you seem to shift it into a different argument entirely. Also we have very different views on this issue and like oil and water our beliefs cannot really mix. You feel God created homosexuality and that it is alright, I feel it is a sin and that it is mentioned as such in the Bible both OT and NT. I was speaking of two select groups of people, but you want to change what I meant and tell me that I meant something else entirely. I don't mind when members get somewhat technical and picky, but when it's used to completely derail my argument into something else it serves to frustrate and disinterest.
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You bring up "rights" that were never a point of debate.


You bring up "the other shoe" argument, you chose to not create that "shoe" statement and cannot debate it when I do create an accurate, equal statement....because your idea it is an illogical concept.....which is why you won't debate it further.

You bring how a christian should act, I show that christians are hypocrites in there actions, and you refuse to debate that.

You bring up "normal" in comparison to a gay speaker, and refuse to debate it.

I see a clear pattern on your part.
 
cAPSLOCK said:
You like to nitpick at stuff. It's a lame debate tactic, it makes you look weak. You get his point... but you resort to semantics to try to undo it. It doesn't work.

Just replace "gays" with "gay agenda" in his turnaround quote if you have to have it that way to see the point... *sigh*
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No, your replacement doesn't work either, you did not produce a statement showing that it works......AND....you, like Billy and Wake refuse to produce an equal statement that would cause the walkout in the first place that has any logical underpinnings.
 
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