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Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

He attacked their beliefs and called them names. He bullied them, plain and simple.
It is not repeated, ongoing, direct actions against an individual.

It was criticism of parts of the Bible and one word against a group that walked out, and he apologized for the use of the word.

Not bullying. It won't stretch that far.
 
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He attacked their beliefs and called them names. He bullied them, plain and simple.

Wouldn't that make political pundits like Bill O'Reilly and Rachel Maddow bullies?
 
You know, I have to admit, I called Savage's actions bullying early in this thread, I think because I was using the sort of definition those who are against "anti-gay bullying" tend to use: The use of strong words of disagreement of someones lifestyle or beliefs especially with name calling and especially using sort of feminine epithets.

Actually I would like to apologize for exaggeration.

I would like to say it is more like bullying; it is mean speech, the belittling of belief and name calling.

In the same way most of what is called "anti-gay bullying" is just name calling and criticism of lifestyle.

Both are very wrong though. Picking on people who believe differently than you is childish no matter who does it.

Savage acted like a child. Like a bully.
 
You know, I have to admit, I called Savage's actions bullying early in this thread, I think because I was using the sort of definition those who are against "anti-gay bullying" tend to use: The use of strong words of disagreement of someones lifestyle or beliefs especially with name calling and especially using sort of feminine epithets.

Actually I would like to apologize for exaggeration.

I would like to say it is more like bullying; it is mean speech, the belittling of belief and name calling.

In the same way most of what is called "anti-gay bullying" is just name calling and criticism of lifestyle.

Both are very wrong though. Picking on people who believe differently than you is childish no matter who does it.

Savage acted like a child. Like a bully.
So then....anyone who criticizes parts of the Bible....is "like" a bully.

Like....OK.

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Removal of Fox News Spin =

So-Called Christian High Schoolers flee anti-bullying conference when views are challenged...



I think you been over to MSNBC to get this "new and improved" version of the story. Looks like the type of whitewash they'd apply. :mrgreen:
 
Back when I was a teenager in the late 70's,bullies used to mean a person or a group who would harass,intimidate,or physically assult anyone who was smaller and weaker than them.
Those who just called you names and made fun of you,(or your beliefs) were called "assholes".

In my old highschool,if someone like Dan Savage did what he did,he'd of been heckled right out of the building and had his car egged.

Can someone explain to me how Dan Savage was able to bully an entire audience full of modern teenagers?
Did he take their lunch money?
Did he give them an atomic wedgie and stuff them in the locker?
Did he duct tape them to the flagpole?
Am I to believe that all of those teenagers who walked out were physically incapable of "bumrushing the stage" and beating the snot out of him for being such a total douchebaghad they chosen to do so instead of walking ou t(and I am not saying they should have physically attacked him)?
He's lucky those teenagers didn't stab or shoot him in the parking lot.
Dan Savage acted like a complete asshole,but saying he "bullied" those kids is absurd.
 
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He attacked their beliefs and called them names.


FALSE - he called them out on their cherry-picking of scripture....

Abominations = shellfish, mix threads, cutting hair, marrying out of the tribe, homosexuality...

He pointed out how stupid it is to cling to just one to justify bullying.

It's BULLPUCKY to use the bible as tool for modern life and sexuality issues. Use it has compass to check your compassion for others. Your UNCONDITIONAL love for others. Fine. But don't use a bible a social science textbook.





He bullied them, plain and simple.


Not plain and simple at all.

He challenged their beliefs. Today's coddled kids aren't used to a strong speaker getting in their face.

Many, many in the audience applauded an cheered.... it was just handful of sheep that scurried away because the LOGIC DOES NOT COMPUTE....
 
It is, I just don't get the point. Challenge him, there's so many holes in his speech, it was very hypocritical, don't walk out like a *****.

This was not a forum that would allow them to challenge him so they took the option of walking out.
 
This was not a forum that would allow them to challenge him so they took the option of walking out.

Where do you get that? There was no q and a afterword?

Nothing in the video supports that.

They walked out before he was even finished, too afraid to have their own beliefs challenged.
 
Back when I was a teenager in the late 70's,bullies used to mean a person or a group who would harass,intimidate,or physically assult anyone who was smaller and weaker than them.
Those who just called you names and made fun of you,(or your beliefs) were called "assholes".

In my old highschool,if someone like Dan Savage did what he did,he'd of been heckled right out of the building and had his car egged.

Can someone explain to me how Dan Savage was able to bully an entire audience full of modern teenagers?
Did he take their lunch money?
Did he give them an atomic wedgie and stuff them in the locker?
Did he duct tape them to the flagpole?
Am I to believe that all of those teenagers who walked out were physically incapable of "bumrushing the stage" and beating the snot out of him for being such a total douchebaghad they chosen to do so instead of walking ou t(and I am not saying they should have physically attacked him)?
He's lucky those teenagers didn't stab or shoot him in the parking lot.
Dan Savage acted like a complete asshole,but saying he "bullied" those kids is absurd.



Lets get this right ok...BULLYING has not specific targets...Homosexuals are not BULLIED more than other groups....that is a myth perpetrated by them...for effect.
When I retired I was security in an alternative hs for kids that got tossed from reg HS...it was a cess pool of bullies...and there was plenty of prey...and the two homosexual kids that I was told to keep a more keen eye on...werent bothered at all...the most unattractive poorly dressed girls were literally bruatalized if I and my two guys werent around...you would find them crying...other girls beating on them and berating them every chance they got...and then there were the weaker boys that no one liked....BULLYING is not homosexual specific nor is it Predominent with them
Bullying has happened since they created kids...and its no worse today than it was in the 60s or 70s....its that we the adults have alot less control over it today...
 
Lets get this right ok...BULLYING has not specific targets...Homosexuals are not BULLIED more than other groups....that is a myth perpetrated by them...for effect.
When I retired I was security in an alternative hs for kids that got tossed from reg HS...it was a cess pool of bullies...and there was plenty of prey...and the two homosexual kids that I was told to keep a more keen eye on...werent bothered at all...the most unattractive poorly dressed girls were literally bruatalized if I and my two guys werent around...you would find them crying...other girls beating on them and berating them every chance they got...and then there were the weaker boys that no one liked....BULLYING is not homosexual specific nor is it Predominent with them
Bullying has happened since they created kids...and its no worse today than it was in the 60s or 70s....its that we the adults have alot less control over it today...
Straw, straw and more straw, no one has made those claims, nor is that what the poster said.
 
My way or the highway, huh?
My unfriending them.....is forcing them to be a certain way?

No.

It means I won't associate with them, if anything I am going a different road, not forcing them to take a different path.
 
Note to convention planners, particularly those who plan high school ones: A more formal understanding needs to be reached about keynote speakers speaking on the scheduled topic. Here, it was alternative social media, not Savage's boyfriend and how hot he looks in a Speedo or how the Bible is bull.

Seems reasonable to expect a speaker to talk on-topic.
 
Note to convention planners, particularly those who plan high school ones: A more formal understanding needs to be reached about keynote speakers speaking on the scheduled topic. Here, it was alternative social media, not Savage's boyfriend and how hot he looks in a Speedo or how the Bible is bull.

Seems reasonable to expect a speaker to talk on-topic.
Do you know what the theme of the symposium was?
 
I can't believe people actually support this guy...

If the tables were turned I'm sure many who support this guy would have the opposite opinion.
 
Do you know what the theme of the symposium was?

On this thread I have posted JES/NSPA links including the note about Savage and his topic in the published program.
 
Lets get this right ok...BULLYING has not specific targets...Homosexuals are not BULLIED more than other groups....that is a myth perpetrated by them...for effect.
When I retired I was security in an alternative hs for kids that got tossed from reg HS...it was a cess pool of bullies...and there was plenty of prey...and the two homosexual kids that I was told to keep a more keen eye on...werent bothered at all...the most unattractive poorly dressed girls were literally bruatalized if I and my two guys werent around...you would find them crying...other girls beating on them and berating them every chance they got...and then there were the weaker boys that no one liked....BULLYING is not homosexual specific nor is it Predominent with them
Bullying has happened since they created kids...and its no worse today than it was in the 60s or 70s....its that we the adults have alot less control over it today...

Where have I ever stated that homosexuals are bullied more than others?
Please do not attribute statements to me that I have never made.

Bullies target people who are weaker than them.That is the cowardly nature of bullies.I was bullied for being one of the smaller kids in school until my father enrolled me in tae kwon do.After knocking out Billy Maldanado when he tried to shake me down for my lunch money with a round house kick in 10th grade,no one has ever bullied me again.
I made sure my daughters all learned martial arts when they were young.And I made damn sure to teach me daughters not to bully others.

And at least you could have answered the question I asked in the post of mine you quoted:
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Can someone explain to me how Dan Savage was able to bully an entire audience full of modern teenagers?
 
FALSE - he called them out on their cherry-picking of scripture....

Abominations = shellfish, mix threads, cutting hair, marrying out of the tribe, homosexuality...

He pointed out how stupid it is to cling to just one to justify bullying.

It's BULLPUCKY to use the bible as tool for modern life and sexuality issues. Use it has compass to check your compassion for others. Your UNCONDITIONAL love for others. Fine. But don't use a bible a social science textbook.








Not plain and simple at all.

He challenged their beliefs. Today's coddled kids aren't used to a strong speaker getting in their face.

Many, many in the audience applauded an cheered.... it was just handful of sheep that scurried away because the LOGIC DOES NOT COMPUTE....

Hazlnut is not in a position to dictate what the bible can and cannot be used for in another persons life.

you and Savage need to keep that sort of arrogance in check.... neither of you posses ecumenical authority on anything concerning religion.

as an aside, I happen to find the using of the bible to hate people extremely disconcerting , counterproductive, and unchristian-like.... but i cannot go as far as saying that people should use the bible how I want them to use it, and no other way.


but it's clear that you think being an asshole to high school kids who are religious is a good thing... and , needless to say, I disagree with that sentiment very strongly.
if one do not possess the character to teach young students in a productive ,non-combative, fashion, they probably should not be around young people at all.... they are not a viable role model, instructor, teacher, or mentor....they are just an asshole with a microphone.
 
On this thread I have posted JES/NSPA links including the note about Savage and his topic in the published program.
And yet you just avoided stating or restating what the theme of the symposium was.

I'll wait.
 
Sometimes it is harder to be kind than it is to be right.
 
Hazlnut is not in a position to dictate what the bible can and cannot be used for in another persons life.
Savage, or anyone else, CAN be critical of the use of parts of the Bible for persecuting homosexuals.
 
I can't believe people actually support this guy...

If the tables were turned I'm sure many who support this guy would have the opposite opinion.
It depends on what "turning the tables" means.
 
neither of you posses ecumenical authority on anything concerning religion.

Are you an authority on authority? Because if you aren't, then how can you speak on the issue of authority?
 
My unfriending them.....is forcing them to be a certain way?

No.

It means I won't associate with them, if anything I am going a different road, not forcing them to take a different path.
In other words, like a pansy, you walked out. :lamo
 
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