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Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

Wake said:
(1) I don't agree with that. Why is it we no longer have to do animal sacrifices to God and other things that happened in the OT? Also, I think we're digressing frm the main topic so if you want to start a thread on it that'd be great.
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I'm sorry, but you said you FULLY follow the Bible...but you don't. You ignore parts of it.......which is the point Savage was making.....the point that you and your brethren KEEP IGNORING.

Gays are condemned via Leviticus, OT, which you claim you are not bound to.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Christ was and said that the OT is God's law. If you are not following Jewish dietary law, then you are NOT FULLY following Biblical law.
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No. Jesus said they were trying to lawyer their way around the law, the same way we try to lawyer our way around the law; or grossly misinterpret the original meaning of a law, exactly the same thing we do today in some cases.

» Matthew 11 – Matthew 15 Read Bible Online
 
Gimmesometruth said:
That does not release you from following the OT. Do you follow the 10 Commandments?
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There 400+ religions. So which one are talking about. That might bring some clarity to the discussion, don't you think?
 
hazlnut said:
So, you believe we need to be tolerant of homophobes because its their 'belief'.
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Phobia is the fear of something, and I don't see the belief that homosexuality is a sin, as some kind of fear.

What about segregationists? Wasn't that just their belief that blacks should not go to school with whites?
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That may have been their belief, but that was based on hate and ignorence, not on a religious teaching. The Judeo-Christian religion, the target of that speaker, teaches that people should love even those who sin. There is however, at least one religion I know of that condemns homosexuals and perpetrates acts of brutal violence against them, but it isn't Christianity. Funny how he never mentions them... Isn't it?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I'm sorry, but you said you FULLY follow the Bible...but you don't. You ignore parts of it.......which is the point Savage was making.....the point that you and your brethren KEEP IGNORING.

Gays are condemned via Leviticus, OT, which you claim you are not bound to.
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Nope. You interpret scripture in leu of Christ's sacrifice and the fact that Jesus says the old Law has been fulfilled. Sin is still sin, but sacrifices and Old Law rituals have been fulfilled and are no longer necessary (as well as punishments for sin under OT law).

The Bible does say homosexuality is sinful, and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
digsbe said:
Nope. You interpret scripture in leu of Christ's sacrifice and the fact that Jesus says the old Law has been fulfilled. Sin is still sin, but sacrifices and Old Law rituals have been fulfilled and are no longer necessary (as well as punishments for sin under OT law).

The Bible does say homosexuality is sinful, and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Thank you for proving my point.

PS, Jesus did not say it was a sin.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
I'm sorry, but you said you FULLY follow the Bible...but you don't. You ignore parts of it.......
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So you're saying we Saxons and Celtics should be following the rules of the Sabbath in celebration of our release of slavery from the Egyptians, hahahaha we were never slaves of the Egyptians (unless you include Mamluks but that's like totally going off a tangent there), where was I?
 
While I'm no fan of Christianity, or any organized religion for that matter, his comments were hypocritical.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
While I'm no fan of Christianity, or any organized religion for that matter, his comments were hypocritical.
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Are you equating criticism of the Bible....with an attack on a persons sexuality?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Thank you for proving my point.

PS, Jesus did not say it was a sin.
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So your point is that homosexuality is a sin as described in the Bible? Is that a problem?

And it doesn't matter that Jesus doesn't specifically say it is a sin, He references the Law and says not a single letter will be removed (pointing towards sin) but that the Law has been fulfilled (pointing towards the rituals and punishments).
 
digsbe said:
So your point is that homosexuality is a sin as described in the Bible? Is that a problem?

And it doesn't matter that Jesus doesn't specifically say it is a sin, He references the Law and says not a single letter will be removed (pointing towards sin) but that the Law has been fulfilled (pointing towards the rituals and punishments).
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And you are back to the same loop, you point to OT laws, but you don't follow OT laws. It is Cafeteria Christianity, the picking and choosing of what parts of the Bible will be followed, which is ignored.

Divorce is a sin, re-marriage is a sin, masturbation is a sin....on and on. But we do not punish those sins. Neither should you condemn those who do, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" was literal and a metaphor.
 
Wake said:
Christ's sacrifice changed that, ushering in the New Testament.
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That's an doctrine invented by evangelicals to justify NOT following OT when it wasn't convenient--or CHERRY PICKING one anti-gay passage and leaving the rest about selfish and mix threads also being an abomination.

The born-agains will concoct all kinds of b.s. to justify their bigotry (1950s-1960s) and homophobia (1980s-present). They read the bible, even memorize it word for word, yet they fail to understand it.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Are you equating criticism of the Bible....with an attack on a persons sexuality?
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Yes, many posts in this thread are.

As if criticizing KKK teachings (filled with scripture) was the same thing as being intolerant toward blacks.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
And you are back to the same loop, you point to OT laws, but you don't follow OT laws. It is Cafeteria Christianity, the picking and choosing of what parts of the Bible will be followed, which is ignored.

Divorce is a sin, re-marriage is a sin, masturbation is a sin....on and on. But we do not punish those sins. Neither should you condemn those who do, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" was literal and a metaphor.
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This is some circle dance you're doing. There are 400+ religions, including various Christian religions. Now ask yourself "Why 400+?" - answer they all don't believe the same way. You want to try and corner someone just to mock them about their beliefs.
 
Billy the Kid said:
This is some circle dance you're doing. There are 400+ religions, including various Christian religions. Now ask yourself "Why 400+?" - answer they all don't believe the same way. You want to try and corner someone just to mock them about their beliefs.
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Gee Billy....that is the point Savage and others including me are making. Christians do not ALL hold to ALL of the Bible, some is used some is left out. We do not have slavery, we do not justify slavery by quoting from the Bible....because the Bible got slavery wrong. It has many laws concerning how one should treat slaves, but we reject that totally, we understand that slavery is wrong. So if that part of the Bible is wrong, well, there might be other parts wrong too.

It is not a matter of "mocking", it is a matter of rejecting biblical errors and keeping the good parts.

Again, you should not use the Bible to condemn gays, it is hypocritical on multiple levels.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Um, I think I made that point before you did.



No, and this is the critical part, like the captain, you did not hear what Savage said.
What Savage said was: "that we can learn to ignore the bs in the Bible about gay people, the same way we have learned to ignore the bs in the Bible about shellfish, about slavery......"

What Savage did was to make the same argument as the abolitionists, that even though the Bible contains a lot of law on how slaves are to be treated (and the Talmud contains many "updated" laws on slavery too), we should not use it, we should ignore it....and we do, just as we ignore sacrificing rams, among other Biblical law.



I suppose it could be "offensive" to fundamentalists who still might practice every Biblical law, but those are not fundamentalists that he spoke to. You are not a fundamentalist, either.

No, I was not. You, like the Captain, did not listen to what was said. You thought, like the Captain, that Savage condemned the Bible in its entirety, he did not.

He condemned parts of it.
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Hardly. I made that point long before you showed up in the thread. You, on the other hand, did not until much later. You went right along with backing him on every point he made.

"The truth often is offensive to believers."-Your first post.

What Savage did was to make the same argument as the abolitionists, that even though the Bible contains a lot of law on how slaves are to be treated (and the Talmud contains many "updated" laws on slavery too), we should not use it, we should ignore it....and we do, just as we ignore sacrificing rams, among other Biblical law.
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No, he did not. Had he done that he would have not said that slavery was wrong on slavery, he would not have continued to trash it repeatedly for being a false book of crazy ideas.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Gee Billy....that is the point Savage and others including me are making. Christians do not ALL hold to ALL of the Bible, some is used some is left out. We do not have slavery, we do not justify slavery by quoting from the Bible....because the Bible got slavery wrong. It has many laws concerning how one should treat slaves, but we reject that totally, we understand that slavery is wrong. So if that part of the Bible is wrong, well, there might be other parts wrong too.

It is not a matter of "mocking", it is a matter of rejecting biblical errors and keeping the good parts.

Again, you should not use the Bible to condemn gays, it is hypocritical on multiple levels.
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Gee Gimmie . . . . the thread is about not Christians condemning, although I'm sure there are those who wish it was, but about an "expert on bullying" . . . . . bullying some Christian kids at a conference about . . . . wait for it . . . . bullying. So it looks like you got off track . . . just a tad.

So what is your take on the thread? Was the "expert" right in what he did, or IYO, was he wrong?
 
lpast said:
The anti bully is bullying ?

As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant “pansy assed.”


Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes
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I 100% agree with him.

Being raised in the Protestant Church and turning against it - I agree with him completely and I've seen everything he was talking about.
 
lpast said:
The anti bully is bullying ?

As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant “pansy assed.”


Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes
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the guy makes great points, and people are applauding him.

Are the anti-gays commenting actually watching the video clip.


And is b.s. really a "curse" word when you're talking to teens.

Ignore the B.S. in the bible and embrace the rest. What's so hard about that?

Many REAL Christians would applaud that.
 
hazlnut said:
the guy makes great points, and people are applauding him.

Are the anti-gays commenting actually watching the video clip.


And is b.s. really a "curse" word when you're talking to teens.

Ignore the B.S. in the bible and embrace the rest. What's so hard about that?

Many REAL Christians would applaud that.
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A lot of 'Christians' have never read the Bible and don't know what they're supporting. To be a 'Christian' these days it seems all one has to do is show up at church on Sunday.

I think the clothing that some of those girls were wearing was indicative of how much they're not embracing their own 'faith'
 
Fiddytree said:
Hardly. I made that point long before you showed up in the thread. You, on the other hand, did not until much later. You went right along with backing him on every point he made."The truth often is offensive to believers."-Your first post.No, he did not. Had he done that he would have not said that slavery was wrong on slavery, he would not have continued to trash it repeatedly for being a false book of crazy ideas.
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Fiddy, I'll make this easier for you since you still can't seem to comprehend (like Captain) that Savage was not "trashing" the ENTIRE Bible...so just answer me this:

Do you think the abolitionists accepted or rejected the portions of Bible law concerning the handling/treatment of slaves?
 
Thunder said:
hardcore

offensive

in your face


...but absolutely correct.

the Hypocrisy of those who want to live by the Bible when it comes to homosexuality but ignore 99% of all the other rules & regulations, is breathtaking.
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The hypocrisy is that he just proved it's ok to bash people...so long as it's based on religion rather than sexual preference.
 
mac said:
The hypocrisy is that he just proved it's ok to bash people...so long as it's based on religion rather than sexual preference.
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Maybe if he bashed them for their religion until some of them killed themselves they'd be comparable...
 
Billy the Kid said:
Gee Gimmie . . . . the thread is about not Christians condemning, although I'm sure there are those who wish it was,
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Um, the thread IS about Savage's comments about christians hypocritically using the Bible to bully/condemn gay teens. Are you not following along at all?



but about an "expert on bullying"
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Um, he is not an "expert on bullying", try again
. . . . . bullying some Christian kids at a conference about . . . . wait for it . . . . bullying.
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If you want to equate his calling journalist students walking out on his speech "pansies" with bullying gay teens that leads to suicide....well there you are.



So it looks like you got off track . . . just a tad.
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Really....you challenged me on the religion relating to the topic.....and I got off topic? Really?

So what is your take on the thread? Was the "expert" right in what he did, or IYO, was he wrong?
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Wow....You have been reading this thread, my comments, you get simple facts wrong....and you wonder about my position?
 
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