Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens

I can't believe the left actually subscibes to that kind of crap and has the nerve to call it "anti-bullying"... Even more incredible is the fact that such vulger hate speech is being presented to high school students.

Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens
By Todd Starnes

As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant “pansy assed.”

The speaker was Dan Savage, founder of the “It Gets Better” project, an anti-bullying campaign that has reached more than 40 million viewers with contributors ranging from President Obama to Hollywood stars. Savage also writes a sex advice column called “Savage Love.”

Savage, and his husband, were also guests at the White House for President Obama’s 2011 LGBT Pride Month reception. He was also invited to a White House anti-bullying conference.

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Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes


Here's the wonderful speech by the man that Obama has invited to the White House for the second time.




Thank God there are still some kids out there that don't embrace such hatred, and have the sense to walk out during such vile presentations.

But remember everyone... There is no war on religion in America.

High school students? Highly inappropriate. College? Right at par. The speaker himself was crude, in your face, and non-inclusive, and historically selective. One can easily understand the animosity between those who the author felt were awful human beings, but it requires that same knowledge to then apply that to his own words.

Furthermore, the speaker was quite a bit off about the Bible and slavery. With the bible, it went both ways. It was a means of liberating slaves from inequality, by declaring that all men were made in God's image, the story of Moses, and the belief in salvation. It also went hand-in-hand with education: the ability to read and write (recall that it was common in centuries past for the Church to be the means to educate those who studied under it). That was why many slaves were not taught the same scriptures or any scriptures at all. Instead, many were taught selective lessons about obeying their masters. Not only did the Bible represent a threat theologically and politically, it was also an educational threat, because once you were educated to read and write about scripture, you were on your path to educational emancipation and the power emanating from that. It would be pretty inaccurate to suggest that the Bible was strictly used as a means to keep them down. That would ignore a very large segment of the abolitionist movement who used the Bible as a means to free the slave and to indict the United States Constitution if they so wanted to. It was also used as a means for slaves themselves to claim ownership over those words, and to rebel against the slavery system by holding their own secret religious ceremonies using Christian teachings and writings.

Grim17 said:

But remember everyone... There is no war on religion in America.

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There isnt. One idiot or a couple idiots saying something bad about religion dont equal a war on religion.

Grim17 said:

But remember everyone... There is no war on religion in America.

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We used to call it the Culture Wars, which I think was a more appropriate label. It implies a much wider discussion and tension regarding the proper or just society in terms of everything from government to individual spirituality and public practice.

There isnt. One idiot or a couple idiots saying something bad about religion dont equal a war on religion.

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When the stories are discussed in more general terms, many are quick to dismiss it in just the same way that people are quick to dismiss this because it was one incident (and specific incidents are far more common to be found in the news anyhow). Perhaps "war" isn't the best word, but it implies correctly, that there is much tension surrounding cultural and spiritual issues in public life.

Your Star said:

I'm a big believer in the market place of ideas, let someone speak and if they are an idiot that will become evident, and if someone says something you disagree with, challenge it, don't walk away and have the out of sight out of mind mentality. If you believe they are wrong challenge them.

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In this forum the only way the listeners could challenge this speaker in any mature, meaningful way was the one they chose.

They were not practicing an "out of sight out of mind mentality". You assume they are fragile.

It was a peaceable and reasonable protest for inappropriate content for the venue.. I would expect gays to do the exact same thing if they were under a similar level of attack from a podium.

If we are going to be intolerant of "hate speech" how can we defend his actions?

My viewpoint is the idea of "hate speech" is the pussified thing if there is one. And if he is going to take the liberty of speaking his mind there is no reason to expect people to remain to listen to his bull****. (see what I did there?)

If he can reject the bull**** from the bible, why cant these Christians reject his bull****?

Grim17 said:

But remember everyone... There is no war on religion in America.

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the religious are warring on other americans... OMG!!!

no way!

the liberal media never told me this.

They're gonna make my kids say their prayers in school and at the football games, and their going to impose some sortof radical unconstitutional laws on us from some radical neofundamentalist christian order...

oe noe!

I'm a big fan of Dan Savage. I believe he was right on everything he said. I'm glad the video was posted because the article painted a very different picture. I see nothing in the video that amounts to bullying.

That said, if this was sponsored by public high schools then the speech was inappropriate. You can't promote religion and you can't bash it, no matter how correct the bashing may be. It is possible to discourage religion based bullying without bashing the religion.

Your Star said:

Yes they were being hypersensitive, just sit down and listen, you don't have to walk out acting like a child believing you can only hear stuff that makes you happy. The fact that people are offended is stupid, and makes me ****ing sad. I just wanna yank them by the collar and tell them to grow the **** up. I'm tired of people having this "oh I'm offended more" war, it lowers discourse, and keeps us from actually talking about anything with substance. **** being offended, it's stupid, gets us nowhere and is childish. We as a society need to grow the **** up.

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Why should someone sit a listen to another distort their views on their religion.
Not all Christians believe that being gay is wrong, many do, but some don't and again, most don't bully gay people.

He was bashing a large segment of people, using the same tactics a bully would.
Character assassination and name calling.

You're right, we do need to grow up.
Let's first start with more tactful ways of addressing issues, rather than being a giant douche, as he was.

Harry Guerrilla said:

Why should someone sit a listen to another distort their views on their religion.
Not all Christians believe that being gay is wrong, many do, but some don't and again, most don't bully gay people.

He was bashing a large segment of people, using the same tactics a bully would.
Character assassination and name calling.

You're right, we do need to grow up.
Let's first start with more tactful ways of addressing issues, rather than being a giant douche, as he was.

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That segment did nothing about talking about an issue of substance and even got the material wrong in the process. All of that in a high school, no less. Of course people left. I wouldn't want to listen to that crap either, and would sigh at the suggestion that I would be a sissy for not wanting to hear a rant from left-wing Ann Coulter.

Fiddytree said:

That segment did nothing about talking about an issue of substance and even got the material wrong- In a high school, no less.

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Well quite simply, did he really think he was going to win over people by insulting their beliefs and calling them names?
Doubtful.

The more likely answer is that he's a real life troll, with a microphone.

From Dan Savage's twitter feed

And I called actions pansy-assed, not persons. Still, I apologize. But not apologizing for challenging bible-based defense of homophobia.

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I am trying to find some evidence if this event was school sponsored. I know it was a convention for high school journalists but plenty of events are target to high school students that aren't school sponsored. Does anyone have a source that clarifies that?

On one hand, if it was school sponsored then Savage was wrong. On the other hand, if these students walk away when they hear something offensive I hope they don't intend to pursue journalism in the real world.

The speaker is part of the homosexual, non-white, atheist, metrosexual, sorta leftist group identity. He is saying he hates the heterosexual, white, non-atheist, can't dress to save your life, rightish group identity.

He's saying, "I hate you." Well I hate you back, and I would like nothing better than for the other group identity to drop dead.

Harry Guerrilla said:

Well quite simply, did he really think he was going to win over people by insulting their beliefs and calling them names?
Doubtful.

The more likely answer is that he's a real life troll, with a microphone.

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Why is displaying hatred always considered "trolling"?

I don't think Savage was trolling or baiting; I think he finally had a meltdown.

lpast said:

The anti bully is bullying ?

As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant “pansy assed.”


Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

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Hypocrisy hurts causes.It is despicable for this degenerate to take a serious cause and to attack a religious group.

Matt Foley said:

The speaker is part of the homosexual, non-white, atheist, metrosexual, sorta leftist group identity. He is saying he hates the heterosexual, white, non-atheist, can't dress to save your life, rightish group identity....

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um.....why are you bringing race into this thread?

I agree with Fiddy, Harry, digs, etc. His behavior was atrocious. Hypothetically, you're not going to attract flies with strong vinegar like that. Dan Savage, imo, doesn't help his cause, but reinforces stereotypes. If I heard such drivel I'd leave too. That, or throw a soda. :2razz:

Wake said:

I agree with Fiddy, Harry, digs, etc. His behaviour was atrocious. Hypothetically, you're not going to attract flies with strong vinegar like that. Dan Savage, imo, doesn't help his cause, but reinforces stereotypes. If I heard such drivel I'd leave too. That, or throw a soda. :2razz:

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and then you'd be arrested.

just sayin'.

Thunder said:

so, folks who think they should have the right to harrass, offend, and attack gay students because the Bible has homophobic passages, got upset that someone didn't agree with their enabling of bigotry?

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Alright, let's discuss bigotry. Could it be defined as a dislike of a group? You, for example, appear to dislike Christians, or perhaps only Evangelicals. Can you see where I'm going with this?

onestepfurther said:

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Alright, let's discuss bigotry. Could it be defined as a dislike of a group? You, for example, appear to dislike Christians, or perhaps only Evangelicals. Can you see where I'm going with this?

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that is 100% untrue. I have serious dissagreements with Christianity, but that does not effect how I treat Christians in my life.

Most of my friends are Christian. I am dating a Christian.

Thunder said:

that is 100% untrue. I have serious dissagreements with Christianity, but that does not effect how I treat Christians in my life.

Most of my friends are Christian. I am dating a Christian.

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OK. Sorry for the mistake. Do you agree with my definition of bigotry? Do your friends "harass, offend, and attack" gay people? My curiosity is on.

Your Star said:

I would sit there, and probably laugh because he's so retarded, because choose to go, and I would probably try to talk to them if it was possible. The people who walked out need to grow the **** up, plain and simple. Like I said, **** being offended.

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So I've never seen you take offense at something written here? Especially as it relates to same sex marriage issues?

onestepfurther said:

OK. Sorry for the mistake. Do you agree with my definition of bigotry? Do your friends "harass, offend, and attack" gay people? My curiosity is on.

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Don't let him fool you. He said in another thread that it was unfortunate that Christianity did not end with Christ's death. Always take what he says with a grain of salt.