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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

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    Well im trying to keep it banned because im a bigot and homophobe and a very hateful person...and I dont allow anyone to bogart me...alot of people dont like when you dont let them bogart you...
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Josie, when Christians call homosexuality a sin specifically because the Bible says it is a sin... and it turns out that the Bible doesn't say that at all (In the NT, which according to you and many others is the only Bible Christians accept), then moving the goalposts to another topic, like child molestation, is a strawman.

    The bottom line is that when Christians call homosexuality a sin because their Bible says it is, they are misstating the contents of their own Bible. Doesn't mean they have to "like" homosexual behavior; doesn't mean they have to agree with it. They just cannot legitimately state that it's a recognized sin in the Bible. It isn't.
    The bible doesn't say it's a sin. The Bible says that homosexual acts are forbidden.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Savage didn't say anything about evil intent or hatred or vicious, from what I saw. He just pointed out irrationality and stupidity.


    I agree. Gay people can only take so much bigotry and intolerance and actual restriction on their behavior before quoting some Bible quotes and calling them bull****.
    So what Savage may have experienced forced him off-topic and into an offensive riff? He couldn't take it anymore?

    What I remain curious about is whether Savage ever got around to talking about using alternative social media to effect change. I looked a couple of days ago unsuccessfully--has the entire speech been made available yet?

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    You're getting at something here. Hating the sin is what scripture teaches. Confusing the act with the person isn't the fault of Christianity, but the fault of the person that's confused.
    Exactly. We all are sinners; we each fall short every day, and the directive is "Judge not...."

    I don't remember who (mac?), but someone earlier on this thread said that he has never heard condemnation of homosexuality from the pulpit. I haven't either, not even once in my life.

    Some seem to think that being Christian and being gay are mutually exclusive, and this just isn't so anymore than it's true that being a Christian equals intolerance. Meanwhile, in 100 pages, has anybody presented evidence that the bullying of gay teenagers is being done because of Christianity?

    Or is bullying more likely the result of other teens' own insecurities?

    Gay Bullying Statistics - Bullying Statistics

    Here's an interview with the Exec Director of the Trevor Project that includes stats. He says:
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    What I would also very much like Christians to know is that being gay isn't a choice that anyone makes. It's not a switch you can turn off and on. Gay people were born into creation just like anyone else, and to devalue who they are by insisting God didn't really make them as they are is to deny them the right to a rich and loving relationship with God, and that's a terrible, terrible thing to deny anybody. No one should ever use scripture to justify removing another person from the spiritual process. If you're a Christian, as I am, you should look to Christ for how to live and act toward others. And what does the Great Commandment of Jesus say but that we're all supposed to love our neighbors as we love ourselves? I wish more Christians would remember what Jesus himself told them to do.

    John Shore: Gay Teen Suicides, Bullying and Christianity: A Talk with the Trevor Project Director

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It all depends upon the manner in which many who call themselves 'Christian' interpret what they read. The argument as noted in the Westar linked piece is over interpretation of the original Greek text. So today many people are arguing over interpretations of interpretations of interpretations.

    The Westar essay does not say "there is no mention of homosexuality in the New Testament", the phrase used was "what we have learned to call ‘sexual orientation’.”

    Josie, which version of the Bible have you read during your life, or have you read more than one version? Have you read the New Testament in the ancient Greek version?



    Well everything is based on how a reader interprets what they've read.


    Since I'm not a great "religion" scholar, exactly which "religion" are you talking about? Now don't just say "evanglists". I'd like to be able to research the exact religion/church that is doing this. Thanks.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Well everything is based on how a reader interprets what they've read.


    Since I'm not a great "religion" scholar, exactly which "religion" are you talking about? Now don't just say "evanglists". I'd like to be able to research the exact religion/church that is doing this. Thanks.

    Another one obsessed with religion being the causes of all woes...Im against gay marriage and not for a single religious reason...neither is all the others I know that are against it....stop blaming christians for the whole thing

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So what Savage may have experienced forced him off-topic and into an offensive riff? He couldn't take it anymore?

    What I remain curious about is whether Savage ever got around to talking about using alternative social media to effect change. I looked a couple of days ago unsuccessfully--has the entire speech been made available yet?
    It's odd that you direct your comments towards me when lpast was the one who initially mentioned that it's understandable/fine for people to lose it when they can't take it anymore. Why is that?

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's odd that you direct your comments towards me when lpast was the one who initially mentioned that it's understandable/fine for people to lose it when they can't take it anymore. Why is that?
    True very true...and let me add please...when people have finally reached their limit on how much abuse and name calling they will accept while TRYING TO BE CIVIL and just honest...then they become dogs and relentlessly tenacious in returning fire.....you can call it...if you keep asking for it...eventually someone is going to give it to you...and you need to be prepared to take what you have given....its a simple part of life.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    True very true...and let me add please...when people have finally reached their limit on how much abuse and name calling they will accept while TRYING TO BE CIVIL and just honest...then they become dogs and relentlessly tenacious in returning fire.....you can call it...if you keep asking for it...eventually someone is going to give it to you...and you need to be prepared to take what you have given....its a simple part of life.
    It's odd that you have this philosophy and yet you have so much condemnation for gay people who've had enough bigotry and arbitrary denial of equality.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's odd that you have this philosophy and yet you have so much condemnation for gay people who've had enough bigotry and arbitrary denial of equality.
    I dont know why you find it odd or the least bit confusing...Its not like im trying to disguise anything...I hate ALL gays and im as bigotted and homophobic as it comes...If I had a choice I would give you all your own country....now theres some hate for ya buddy....you thrive on wanting to believe everyone hates you...that doesnt agree that YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR EVERY LITTLE DESIRE.....life is hard then we all die

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