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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    It's not a strawman, tessa. They are saying that homosexuality really isn't spoken about all that much in the NT, so it must not really be a big deal. That's like saying that since "freedom of speech" is only mentioned once in the Bill of Rights it must mean that the Founders really didn't mean that people should have it. It's okay to take it away since it was only mentioned once. No biggie.

    If you read the article, it's technically never mentioned at all.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    (1) FIRST: Why is an openly religious speaker with a religious agenda speaking in a public high school?

    (2) SECOND: "pansy" is a common slur against gays so calling those who walk out of an anti-gay speech is just multiplying the hatred.

    (3) THIRD: Dan Savage has apologised for using the term "pansy-assed" - Would you?

    (4) Fourth: When you use the phrase "sanctity of marriage" you are whistling for the dogs, who understand what you are implying even if you did not go so far as to openly "start insulting homosexuals and homosexuality"
    (1) Is that completely forbidden? No religious ideas can be expressed by a guest speaker?

    (2) What's the multiplication rate of hatred when a gay man uses it on Christians?

    (3) This is a hypothetical. I wouldn't be an ass when conveying my opinion. Huzzah.

    (4) Would you clarify?

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    If you read the article, it's technically never mentioned at all.
    Let's go with your interpretation that it's never mentioned at all in the NT. If it's not mentioned, it's not a sin. Right?


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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    ....The phrase is "familiarity breeds contempt"
    "Familiarity breeds consent. - Oscar Wilde"

    Narf.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Let's go with your interpretation that it's never mentioned at all in the NT. If it's not mentioned, it's not a sin. Right?
    I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make, unless you're going back to your child molestation thing.
    Technically speaking, homosexuality isn't even mentioned in the OLD TESTAMENT, as there is no direct translation from any Greek or Aramaic word used in the original texts to the word we now know as "homosexuality".

    So then we have words that translated to "sexual perversion" and (loosely) "sodomite". But sodomite is a relatively modern word, and was largely based on interpretations of the story of Sodom. So let's go with "sexual perversion". That isn't defined. Perversions would have been assumed. At the time of Constantine's Council of Nicea, and in the first years of christian missionary work, sex in and of itself was a defilement of one's body and a sure path away from salvation. It wasn't until several decades after christianity began to spread that sexual rules were loosened. And even then, you were only allowed to have sex with your married partner for the purpose of procreating.

    Now, there are several reasons for the sexual restrictions and eventually loosening of the rules. Original christianity would not have survived into the modern age without some level of compromise on what was originally intended to be a solely ascetic lifestyle. In a way, it was similar to expansion of buddhism from a monk-only religious experience to a process of enlightenment available to any interested in following Buddha's teachings.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make, unless you're going back to your child molestation thing.
    Well, you keep saying that it's not even mentioned. So....... finish the thought. What's the conclusion based on your interpretation that it's not mentioned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Technically speaking, homosexuality isn't even mentioned in the OLD TESTAMENT, as there is no direct translation from any Greek or Aramaic word used in the original texts to the word we now know as "homosexuality".

    So then we have words that translated to "sexual perversion" and (loosely) "sodomite". But sodomite is a relatively modern word, and was largely based on interpretations of the story of Sodom. So let's go with "sexual perversion". That isn't defined. Perversions would have been assumed. At the time of Constantine's Council of Nicea, and in the first years of christian missionary work, sex in and of itself was a defilement of one's body and a sure path away from salvation. It wasn't until several decades after christianity began to spread that sexual rules were loosened. And even then, you were only allowed to have sex with your married partner for the purpose of procreating.

    Now, there are several reasons for the sexual restrictions and eventually loosening of the rules. Original christianity would not have survived into the modern age without some level of compromise on what was originally intended to be a solely ascetic lifestyle. In a way, it was similar to expansion of buddhism from a monk-only religious experience to a process of enlightenment available to any interested in following Buddha's teachings.

    ...your move?
    So if it's never mentioned in Scripture, why do you agree with Savage's Bible-bashing? That makes no sense.


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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Familiarity breeds consent. - Oscar Wilde"

    Narf.
    First, I believe Aesop predates Oscar Wilde : Quote/Counterquote: “Familiarity breeds contempt” — The Animal Quotes Edition

    Secondly, his use was a play on the original quote. Familiarity breeds consent. Oscar Wilde Quotes
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    I'm gonna go take a bubble bath with my Harlequin novel. Be back later....


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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Well, you keep saying that it's not even mentioned. So....... finish the thought. What's the conclusion based on your interpretation that it's not mentioned?



    So if it's never mentioned in Scripture, why do you agree with Savage's Bible-bashing? That makes no sense.
    The ill-informed, or those who believe blindly without researching, believe the bible mentions homosexuality. That being the case, it is hypocritical for them to harp on homosexuality while ignoring other laws contained in the book, or put excessive emphasis on homosexuality over other laws clearly stated.

    On that point, I certainly agree with him.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    It's not hypocrisy because he was quoting the Old Testament which Christians are no longer under. Christians don't follow the OT law.
    There are several passages in the NT that make it quite clear that at least parts of the Old Covenant still apply

    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

    “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law?” (John7:19)

    Maybe I'm wrong in my interpretation, but correct me if I am.
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