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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Sometimes a situation demands "asshole" behaviour so as to gain the attention of the audience. No matter how well known the speaker, no matter how important the subject of the speech - teenagers will often fail to pay attention simply because they are teens. Using a 'bad' word - such as BULL**** will cause teenage students to listen more closely. No matter how well intentioned most of the student journalists might have been on the day of Savage's 'attack on xians', it is a safe bet that a majority of them were thinking more about the fun they would be having outside of the various speeches and seminars during the convention. Being provocative in speech causes people to pay attention.

    Who wants to deny that up to the moment the kids walked out, many of the attendees were more concerned with the way they were dressed, "Do I look OK or does this outfit make me look like a dork?" Some guys were thinking, or saying to their buddies, "Damn, she's got a nice set on her!" Some of the girls were asking friends, "Does this dress make me look fat!" or "He's cute, hope I get a chance to talk to him" - on and on and on - then some gay guy stands up on the stage and starts talking some **** and "Woohooo! - this is kewl!" "Hey look, that teacher who tried to preach to us just walked out - all right!"

    The real world tells us - No matter how well intentioned participants in a group may be, teenagers can and will act in ways that years later will be the cause of embarrassment to them when friends or family tell of "that time". Dan Savage with his speech probably caused at least a few of those kids to pull their brains out of their crotches and to think of more serious matters for at least a few minutes.
    Does this only work for your point of view?

    Maybe from a different pov a Christian orator should act like an asshole to get his point across?

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    (1) It is not your place to condemn, to act as god, that is above your pay grade.

    (2) I would hope that you don't confuse a verb with a noun.

    That was not the point.
    (1) Incorrect. If Christians did not state the verses that show there are sins, Christianity would cease to exist. Stating that there are sins mentioned in the Bible is not the same as condemning a person to Hell.

    (2) I'm not sure what you mean. I hate the sin, not the sinner.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It is not when you state that homosexuality/homosexual acts is sin.

    During my time on DP I've made it clear that I view homosexuality as sin, not homosexuals. There is an important difference.

    So? Do you then advocate for the forced castration of gay men or just the criminalisation of homosexuality? How do you plan on stopping gays, lesbians and bi-sexuals from having sex? You know it is part of what makes us human? Enforced celibacy certainly seems to have worked so well in the Catholic Church.

    Just what is your prescription for preventing those "gays you love as a good Christian" from enjoying the pleasures of sex that you enjoy?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    So? Do you then advocate for the forced castration of gay men or just the criminalisation of homosexuality? How do you plan on stopping gays, lesbians and bi-sexuals from having sex? You know it is part of what makes us human? Enforced celibacy certainly seems to have worked so well in the Catholic Church.

    Just what is your prescription for preventing those "gays you love as a good Christian" from enjoying the pleasures of sex that you enjoy?
    I can opine that it's a sin without manipulating the laws to block the rights of homosexuals.

    America is not a theocracy.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Does this only work for your point of view?

    Maybe from a different pov a Christian orator should act like an asshole to get his point across?
    My personal take on the matter - far too many of the best known of the tele-evangelists are acting in such a manner. They seem to make a very good living doing it too.


    Being provocative in speech does make the audience pay attention. I've had to suffer thru speeches made by people I admired for their writings but .... Holey Crap! were they boring.

    Some people can speak and hold the attention of an audience and some can't - it is a performance art, Some people have good ideas and put their audiences to sleep and some very evil people can hold an audience of 1000s in thrall for hours.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Billy, Billy, Billy....no one has said that the little kiddies were killing gays.....we call that a straw argument.

    You are so wrapped up in the "insult" of the action that you can't get past it and discuss the MESSAGE, the POINT that Savage made. I think this is intentional, just as it is intentional that you bypassed my point....which is Savage's point.

    Well, Grimmie, I'm sure you'll understand when I tell you, the message to me was clear. Savage abused the school children for personal reasons.

    Now I know you want to put lipstick on the pig, but the pig will remain that Savage took his personal feelings out on school children. Simple.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    (1) Incorrect. If Christians did not state the verses that show there are sins, Christianity would cease to exist. Stating that there are sins mentioned in the Bible is not the same as condemning a person to Hell.
    But that is the point, the christians in question are condemning to hell homosexuals, that is what is happening. That is not loving the sinner, at all.

    (2) I'm not sure what you mean. I hate the sin, not the sinner.
    It is a bs, irrational belief. Homosexuality is present in nature in multiple examples, it is a genetic characteristic, it is something you are born with. Alzheimer patients forget friends, families....even their own names, but one thing they never forget is their sexual orientation. It is a base characteristic.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I can opine that it's a sin without manipulating the laws to block the rights of homosexuals.

    America is not a theocracy.


    Good! not every American who names their self - Christian, holds that view. Their are too many who do advocate the measures I noted. The problem we have is the reality of far too many of the 'polite' xians refusing to speak up in protest of the actions and words of their fellow religionists who do promote the idea of biblical punishment for the sinners.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Well, Grimmie, I'm sure you'll understand when I tell you, the message to me was clear. Savage abused the school children for personal reasons.

    Now I know you want to put lipstick on the pig, but the pig will remain that Savage took his personal feelings out on school children. Simple.
    Billy, Billy, Billy...you just proved my point....again. You can't get past the faux outrage and examine the message.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    (1) My personal take on the matter - far too many of the best known of the tele-evangelists are acting in such a manner. They seem to make a very good living doing it too.


    (2) Being provocative in speech does make the audience pay attention. I've had to suffer thru speeches made by people I admired for their writings but .... Holey Crap! were they boring.

    (3) Some people can speak and hold the attention of an audience and some can't - it is a performance art, Some people have good ideas and put their audiences to sleep and some very evil people can hold an audience of 1000s in thrall for hours.
    (1) I don't believe in tele-evangelists. There may, may, be some who are sincere. However, when I see how they look as though they live in luxury, using the Church and Christianity for their own vain and worldly means, I get angry. Really angry. Humble, and I mean humble, churches are best.

    (2) I think you can spur interest in your audience without being an ass.

    (3) When you call names you scathe your credibility. Imagine if each presidential debate started with name-calling and insulting. Imagine if Barack Obama started his speech with "Those bitches on the right know nothing about taxes..." Yeah, that'd kill his credibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    (1) But that is the point, the christians in question are condemning to hell homosexuals, that is what is happening. That is not loving the sinner, at all.
    (1) Those "Christians" who do so, like the Westboror Baptist Church, are in the wrong. Stating that homosexuality/homosexual acts is a sin is not condemning people, but trying to help them change their ways to save them by finding salvation.

    By trying to help the sinner in finding eternal salvation instead of eternal damnation... that is the quintessential act of loving them.

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