Disclaimer: No great biblical scholar but I do believe Jesus said there were 2 Commandments which "all the laws of Moses and the prophets hinge".
1. Love God with your whole heart, etc.
and the 2nd was "liken to it"
2. Love thy neighbor as they self.
Sounds like those were the most important to Jesus. And IMHO, those 2 kinda sum it all up.
Ah now Grimme, the children came in sat down with their teacher, Savage went into his "supposedly anti-bullying" which was really an anti-Christian tirade, the children got up and walked out. Savage called them "pansed asses". No "homosexual neighbors" were harmed by the children.
I know you want that to be so, but it didn't happen the way you wanted it to happen.
Last edited by Billy the Kid; 05-02-12 at 03:11 PM.
You are so wrapped up in the "insult" of the action that you can't get past it and discuss the MESSAGE, the POINT that Savage made. I think this is intentional, just as it is intentional that you bypassed my point....which is Savage's point.
Originally Posted by Somerville
This is the central point of Dan Savage's speech, how can one who claims to follow the strictures found in the Bible on condemning homosexuality be anything but a hypocrite when they don't follow the other laws and commands in that same text? How do you make the choice on which commands you follow and which ones you ignore?
Sometimes a situation demands "asshole" behaviour so as to gain the attention of the audience. No matter how well known the speaker, no matter how important the subject of the speech - teenagers will often fail to pay attention simply because they are teens. Using a 'bad' word - such as BULL**** will cause teenage students to listen more closely. No matter how well intentioned most of the student journalists might have been on the day of Savage's 'attack on xians', it is a safe bet that a majority of them were thinking more about the fun they would be having outside of the various speeches and seminars during the convention. Being provocative in speech causes people to pay attention.
Who wants to deny that up to the moment the kids walked out, many of the attendees were more concerned with the way they were dressed, "Do I look OK or does this outfit make me look like a dork?" Some guys were thinking, or saying to their buddies, "Damn, she's got a nice set on her!" Some of the girls were asking friends, "Does this dress make me look fat!" or "He's cute, hope I get a chance to talk to him" - on and on and on - then some gay guy stands up on the stage and starts talking some **** and "Woohooo! - this is kewl!" "Hey look, that teacher who tried to preach to us just walked out - all right!"
The real world tells us - No matter how well intentioned participants in a group may be, teenagers can and will act in ways that years later will be the cause of embarrassment to them when friends or family tell of "that time". Dan Savage with his speech probably caused at least a few of those kids to pull their brains out of their crotches and to think of more serious matters for at least a few minutes.
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
I would hope that you don't confuse a verb with a noun.During my time on DP I've made it clear that I view homosexuality as sin, not homosexuals. There is an important difference.
That was not the point.