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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    That point I will agree with Dan on. However, Dan was still being an asshole. Also, there are some verses in the NT that are virtually impossible to make happen in this day and age.
    Yeah...like love your neighbor, those without sin may cast the first stone...
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
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    This is the central point of Dan Savage's speech, how can one who claims to follow the strictures found in the Bible on condemning homosexuality be anything but a hypocrite when they don't follow the other laws and commands in that same text? How do you make the choice on which commands you follow and which ones you ignore?


    Disclaimer: No great biblical scholar but I do believe Jesus said there were 2 Commandments which "all the laws of Moses and the prophets hinge".

    1. Love God with your whole heart, etc.

    and the 2nd was "liken to it"

    2. Love thy neighbor as they self.

    Sounds like those were the most important to Jesus. And IMHO, those 2 kinda sum it all up.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Disclaimer: No great biblical scholar but I do believe Jesus said there were 2 Commandments which "all the laws of Moses and the prophets hinge".

    1. Love God with your whole heart, etc.

    and the 2nd was "liken to it"

    2. Love thy neighbor as they self.

    Sounds like those were the most important to Jesus. And IMHO, those 2 kinda sum it all up.
    Exactly Billy, which is why Savage points out that christians are hypocrites for condemning gays. Christ did not say "love thy neighbor...but it is ok to condemn, kill.....homosexual neighbors."
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Disclaimer: No great biblical scholar but I do believe Jesus said there were 2 Commandments which "all the laws of Moses and the prophets hinge".

    1. Love God with your whole heart, etc.

    and the 2nd was "liken to it"

    2. Love thy neighbor as they self.

    Sounds like those were the most important to Jesus. And IMHO, those 2 kinda sum it all up.
    I think you're misrepresenting things.

    "Hate the sin, not the sinner."

    You can love fellow sinners, yet hate the sin.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Exactly Billy, which is why Savage points out that christians are hypocrites for condemning gays. Christ did not say "love thy neighbor...but it is ok to condemn, kill.....homosexual neighbors."

    Ah now Grimme, the children came in sat down with their teacher, Savage went into his "supposedly anti-bullying" which was really an anti-Christian tirade, the children got up and walked out. Savage called them "pansed asses". No "homosexual neighbors" were harmed by the children.


    I know you want that to be so, but it didn't happen the way you wanted it to happen.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I think you're misrepresenting things.

    "Hate the sin, not the sinner."

    You can love fellow sinners, yet hate the sin.
    Which is totally contradicted by condemning to hell homosexuals.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Which is totally contradicted by condemning to hell homosexuals.
    It is not when you state that homosexuality/homosexual acts is sin.

    During my time on DP I've made it clear that I view homosexuality as sin, not homosexuals. There is an important difference.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Ah now Grimme, the children came in sat down with their teacher, Savage went into his "supposedly anti-bullying" which was really an anti-Christian tirade, the children got up and walked out. Savage called them "pansed asses". No "homosexual neighbors" were harmed by the children.


    I know you want that to be so, but it didn't happen the way you wanted it to happen.
    Billy, Billy, Billy....no one has said that the little kiddies were killing gays.....we call that a straw argument.

    You are so wrapped up in the "insult" of the action that you can't get past it and discuss the MESSAGE, the POINT that Savage made. I think this is intentional, just as it is intentional that you bypassed my point....which is Savage's point.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Originally Posted by Somerville

    This is the central point of Dan Savage's speech, how can one who claims to follow the strictures found in the Bible on condemning homosexuality be anything but a hypocrite when they don't follow the other laws and commands in that same text? How do you make the choice on which commands you follow and which ones you ignore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    That point I will agree with Dan on. However, Dan was still being an asshole. Also, there are some verses in the NT that are virtually impossible to make happen in this day and age.

    Sometimes a situation demands "asshole" behaviour so as to gain the attention of the audience. No matter how well known the speaker, no matter how important the subject of the speech - teenagers will often fail to pay attention simply because they are teens. Using a 'bad' word - such as BULL**** will cause teenage students to listen more closely. No matter how well intentioned most of the student journalists might have been on the day of Savage's 'attack on xians', it is a safe bet that a majority of them were thinking more about the fun they would be having outside of the various speeches and seminars during the convention. Being provocative in speech causes people to pay attention.

    Who wants to deny that up to the moment the kids walked out, many of the attendees were more concerned with the way they were dressed, "Do I look OK or does this outfit make me look like a dork?" Some guys were thinking, or saying to their buddies, "Damn, she's got a nice set on her!" Some of the girls were asking friends, "Does this dress make me look fat!" or "He's cute, hope I get a chance to talk to him" - on and on and on - then some gay guy stands up on the stage and starts talking some **** and "Woohooo! - this is kewl!" "Hey look, that teacher who tried to preach to us just walked out - all right!"

    The real world tells us - No matter how well intentioned participants in a group may be, teenagers can and will act in ways that years later will be the cause of embarrassment to them when friends or family tell of "that time". Dan Savage with his speech probably caused at least a few of those kids to pull their brains out of their crotches and to think of more serious matters for at least a few minutes.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It is not when you state that homosexuality/homosexual acts is sin.
    It is not your place to condemn, to act as god, that is above your pay grade.

    During my time on DP I've made it clear that I view homosexuality as sin, not homosexuals. There is an important difference.
    I would hope that you don't confuse a verb with a noun.

    That was not the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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