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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Gimme, I think you're competent in debate on some issues, but on this issue I feel we're getting nowhere. It's frustrating when I make a point regarding the topic, and then you seem to shift it into a different argument entirely. Also we have very different views on this issue and like oil and water our beliefs cannot really mix. You feel God created homosexuality and that it is alright, I feel it is a sin and that it is mentioned as such in the Bible both OT and NT. I was speaking of two select groups of people, but you want to change what I meant and tell me that I meant something else entirely. I don't mind when members get somewhat technical and picky, but when it's used to completely derail my argument into something else it serves to frustrate and disinterest.

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    Of course. Because it's the not the gay teens being bullied to the point of suicide who are the victims. It's the poor conservative Christian community that are the real victims here. The precious liberty of using traditional social authority to belittle others not to their liking are under attack. Victimhood culture; everyone's a star player, unless you're actually a victim, then you're just a pain in the ass.
    I never said there weren't homosexual students that were bullied. Bullies need to be placed in jail; my beliefs are Draconian when it comes to punishing them. It is not Christian to bully people. One can give their opinion that homosexuality is a sin, yet do so in a way as to not bully others. I also don't think these instances of homosexuals being bullied by some "Christian" bullies should be used on an attack against Christianity; to me it seems like some are using these tragedies to further their own agenda.

    Whether you are gay or not, you shouldn't be bullied, you do have the right to civilly leave, and I fell you shouldn't be insulted for doing so. Also, whether a gay activist or a Christian activist, I don't think you should act like an ass when trying to spread your message.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    That is pretty bad there Billy, a false equivalence. The Bible and gays are not the same thing, one is a book, one is a human being.

    Try again, and this time include what the speaker would have said to get the human beings to leave in the first place.
    You like to nitpick at stuff. It's a lame debate tactic, it makes you look weak. You get his point... but you resort to semantics to try to undo it. It doesn't work.

    Just replace "gays" with "gay agenda" in his turnaround quote if you have to have it that way to see the point... *sigh*

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    I'm opening a Cure The Evangelical clinic.

    Pray away the false teachings and misreadings of the bible.

    I want to help the lost sheep called Evangelicals find their way back to true Christianity.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Gimme, I think you're competent in debate on some issues, but on this issue I feel we're getting nowhere. It's frustrating when I make a point regarding the topic, and then you seem to shift it into a different argument entirely. Also we have very different views on this issue and like oil and water our beliefs cannot really mix. You feel God created homosexuality and that it is alright, I feel it is a sin and that it is mentioned as such in the Bible both OT and NT. I was speaking of two select groups of people, but you want to change what I meant and tell me that I meant something else entirely. I don't mind when members get somewhat technical and picky, but when it's used to completely derail my argument into something else it serves to frustrate and disinterest.
    You bring up "rights" that were never a point of debate.


    You bring up "the other shoe" argument, you chose to not create that "shoe" statement and cannot debate it when I do create an accurate, equal statement....because your idea it is an illogical concept.....which is why you won't debate it further.

    You bring how a christian should act, I show that christians are hypocrites in there actions, and you refuse to debate that.

    You bring up "normal" in comparison to a gay speaker, and refuse to debate it.

    I see a clear pattern on your part.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by cAPSLOCK View Post
    You like to nitpick at stuff. It's a lame debate tactic, it makes you look weak. You get his point... but you resort to semantics to try to undo it. It doesn't work.

    Just replace "gays" with "gay agenda" in his turnaround quote if you have to have it that way to see the point... *sigh*
    No, your replacement doesn't work either, you did not produce a statement showing that it works......AND....you, like Billy and Wake refuse to produce an equal statement that would cause the walkout in the first place that has any logical underpinnings.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No, your replacement doesn't work either, you did not produce a statement showing that it works......AND....you, like Billy and Wake refuse to produce an equal statement that would cause the walkout in the first place that has any logical underpinnings.
    Logical according to your worldview.

    If any students feel offended, they have the right to walk out and I feel they shouldn't have to be insulted for doing so. That's what it means to be fair. It is unfair to say it's perfectly acceptable for gay students to walk out when offended, then have some people insult/ridicule those Christian students who also decide to leave when offended.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I also don't think these instances of homosexuals being bullied by some "Christian" bullies should be used (as) on (sic) an attack against Christianity;
    This is a statement of belief in the infallibility of a religion. You have no problem criticizing Islam when it promotes the persecution of homosexuality . But if christianity is the source of persecution, the condemnation of homosexuals, you defend it.....via infallibility.


    to me it seems like some are using these tragedies to further their own agenda.
    Yes, the agenda of equality of human beings.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Logical according to your worldview.
    Logic is not based on world views, it is a matter of rational explanation.

    If any students feel offended, they have the right to walk out and I feel they shouldn't have to be insulted for doing so. That's what it means to be fair. It is unfair to say it's perfectly acceptable for gay students to walk out when offended, then have some people insult/ridicule those Christian students who also decide to leave when offended.
    You keep bring up this totally fabricated argument, no one is debating their "right", and they can be insulted for doing it when it is not rational. Your "fairness" is a false equivalence.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    (1) This is a statement of belief in the infallibility of a religion. (2) You have no problem criticizing Islam when it promotes the persecution of homosexuality . But if christianity is the source of persecution, the condemnation of homosexuals, you defend it.....via infallibility.


    (3) Yes, the agenda of equality of human beings.
    (1) Believing my religion to be true, I'm disinclined to consider it fallible.

    (2) That is a bit different. Some "Christian" bullies bullying homosexual students is far different from the way more devout Islamists treat homosexuals. That and then you have the radical Islamists, who kill them. I don't feel preaching/opining that homosexualityh is a Biblical sin is the persecution of homosexuals; in America every person has the right to give voice to their beliefs. If there were some "Christians" who actively called for the jailing/killing/bullying of homosexuals I'd be fighting against it.

    (3) That is a nice way of stating your belief. Here's my nice way of stating my belief: the agenda of saving people from an eternity in Hell.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    This is a statement of belief in the infallibility of a religion. You have no problem criticizing Islam when it promotes the persecution of homosexuality . But if christianity is the source of persecution, the condemnation of homosexuals, you defend it.....via infallibility.
    No he doesn't!

    In the very post you quote he says he thinks people who bully should go to jail.

    I never said there weren't homosexual students that were bullied. Bullies need to be placed in jail; my beliefs are Draconian when it comes to punishing them. It is not Christian to bully people. One can give their opinion that homosexuality is a sin, yet do so in a way as to not bully others.

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